NJ Recalls

[BentOver]

The company outlined their "4 Goals" for negotiations in a newsletter sent to the pilots.

Their "wish list" was so outrageously absurd I have legitimate concerns about the mental stability of the company negotiators...

Hmmm sounds like they are attempting to set the baseline way low, it'll make a 3% gain look awesome...

When in reality the only reason NJA is still around is the pilots hard work.... So 10% should be the very least

 

[jetlag7]

Hmmm sounds like they are attempting to set the baseline way low, it'll make a 3% gain look awesome...

When in reality the only reason NJA is still around is the pilots hard work.... So 10% should be the very least

Very true... Ops is terribly understaffed these days and we've been carrying a much heavier workload as a result.

Pilots are "burning-out" at a much faster rate than historical norms so fatigue and sick calls are understandably higher.

As far as compensation goes, the 10% you mentioned wouldn't even cover inflationary losses from our last contract. Just to get us back to 2007 wages, that number is closer to 20%.

On top of that, just to achieve parity with our peers who possess similar training, experience and qualifications (who by the way never approach the daily workload we do) you would have to add another 30% to that number.

Yes, I agree they were trying to set the bar low... However, I don't believe they intend to bargain in good faith because that bar isn't anywhere near the ballpark -- in fact, it's not even on the same planet.

 

[pilotyip]

When in reality the only reason NJA is still around is the pilots hard work

So customers finding value in the product has nothing to do with NJ success?

 

[brokeflyer]

So customers finding value in the product has nothing to do with NJ success?

no, he means that NJ screws up stuff for the owner so bad, the only way to fix it and make the operation continue is crew intervention.

 

[OPECJet]

The company outlined their "4 Goals" for negotiations in a newsletter sent to the pilots.

Their "wish list" was so outrageously absurd I have legitimate concerns about the mental stability of the company negotiators...

Agreed. The way I read it is that 1% isn't just a paycut, but overall lowering of labor cost. The savings could be realized in places other than a paycut (think insurance, vacation, etc). No thank you.....

 

[Pervis]

Agreed. The way I read it is that 1% isn't just a paycut, but overall lowering of labor cost. The savings could be realized in places other than a paycut (think insurance, vacation, etc). No thank you.....

The savings can be realized in more efficient ops, like not ferrying a jet to avoid paying a pilot an after midnight. Savings in reduced insurance cost, less vacation, etc is nothing more than concessions. Sorry, but not going to happen. Record profit sans sales means even more record profit as sales increase, which they are. On our backs, wearing more hats every day fixing their miss cues due to support staff reductions.

 

[BentOver]

So customers finding value in the product has nothing to do with NJ success?

Who do you think adds the value?

The CEO of square plates can think he does, but who is the face of the company. Who is out there making sure everything comes together. It's the pilots....

If catering doesn't show the pilots have a cc that can somewhat rectify the problem. If the flight plans aren't filed, the pilots can do it themselves if needed. Fact is, when all this stuff does get screwed up at times, the pilots are the ones who make sure it'll be done when the owners show up....

Management should not view the pilots as an expense that needs to be reduced

 

[rajflyboy]

you guys at Netjets need a 30 percent pay increase as the minimum

that will bring up the pay scales for the rest of us too

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

10/250+ is what is deserved for this abusive lifestyle ... Or they can close the doors. Their choice.

 

[fischman]

Njaowner,

Just asking has the market changed to a point that I should take a 5% pay cut over the next few years?

Would you and others be willing to help us help you buy supporting the pilots.

The owners and the pilots are the life of Nja and when both are happy the company does better.

I see no reason why the owners would have to pay a nickel more for the CBA we deserve. Over the past several years we have 1) posted profits 2) paid down over a billion in debt.

The EMT is just going to have to settle for $1 million homes instead of $30 million homes.

 

[fischman]

you guys at Netjets need a 30 percent pay increase as the minimum

that will bring up the pay scales for the rest of us too

Ummmm.... No. 30% isn't close to what we deserve. That barely covers inflation.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

Ummmm.... No. 30% isn't close to what we deserve. That barely covers inflation.

30% would be a colossal victory ...not for the pilots though.

 

[fischman]

30% would be a colossal victory ...not for the pilots though.

You got that right.

 

[johnsonrod]

Have there been no recalls whatsoever? How many pilots tend to leave/quit annually since the furloughs? Are their positions not re-filled?

I would expect a bunch at the bottom to leave when the legacies start to ramp up in the next year or two.

 

[CA1900]

Hmmm sounds like they are attempting to set the baseline way low, it'll make a 3% gain look awesome...

When in reality the only reason NJA is still around is the pilots hard work.... So 10% should be the very least

In a couple more years, when the contract is hopefully signed, a 20% raise will be right back where it was in 2007 thanks to inflation. Anything less than a 20% raise is already a pay cut. That's something people need to consider when evaluating contract proposals.