NJ Recalls

[BentOver]

Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.

NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.

 

[pilotyip]

NJA had their 2 years as the place to be...


Given the state of retirements in the 121 Legacy world vs. the long term options with NJA, any one of the Legacies would be a move in a better direction. The majors are vastly superior in pay, career expectations, and schedule. The one and only advantage NJA will always(?) hold is homebasing.

If you can live in base or have an easy commute, going with a Major is the best bet IMO. 2nd year pay is typically more than any SIC at NJA will see at the top of the pay scale. Many of the Majors top end SIC pay is on par with NJA Captains pay....

After a 5-8+ year furlough from NJA, and given all the BS that has gone on there, I cannot see most being completely happy upon returning. Unless there are just no other options.

ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I think it is safe to say that what NetJets was and has now become are vastly different. It wouldn't take long to see the changes upon returning.

Yes. Profitable.

 

[OPECJet]

Opec,

Are you now, or willing to go (back) into 121? Preferably not a regional. If you can live in base at a 121, you will have a superior quality of life.

I've thought about that a lot lately. I'd end up commuting, but a one leg commute at a major would be a cakewalk compared to the two leg I had at a regional.

It would probably be an uphill battle, but I won't say it couldn't happen. I haven't flown in three years, have to jump through a couple of hoops to get a medical and don't have any turbine PIC. In the past that was close to a deal breaker but I know times are changing.

 

[nordo_2]

Yes. Profitable.

For who? Means nothing to a furlough, or stagnated SIC. NJ may maintain it self. Great, if you have a three-digit seniority number. NJ’s business model is a bust, for those us that bought the 5000, or so pilot group.

The Legacies are a better bet, for a better career.

 

[BentOver]

ditto, and going now before hiring really picks up in 2015/16 range and getting a lot of numbers under you would give you job security not found in many other flying jobs.

I look a two of my friends, one hired a AAL in 1985, made CA in 6 years never furloughed, stayed in left his entire career, the other hired was USAirways in 1989, furloughed 3 times, may never make CA before hitting age 65.

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

 

[G4dude]

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

I agree. I think we are gonna lose some captains too. And I'm the biggest Koolaid drinker at NJA.

 

[gunfyter]

They say size doesn't matter ...

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

Don't agree with you much.. But definitely agree with ya here... If any furloughee or SIC at NJA is on the fence.. Get the hell off, and apply when positions become available...

I think if I get an offer from UAL or AAL I'm pretty sure it would be a very serious discussion at the dinner table with the wife. I think the future is bright ultimately for Netjets, but I'm running out of patience.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

I agree. I think we are gonna lose some captains too. And I'm the biggest Koolaid drinker at NJA.

Don't be such a ****************************** and fight for a better CBA so that Netjets doesn't loose Capts or SICs.

 

[gret]

Unions don't save jobs...and it is "lose"

Lose vs Loose

A lot of people are mixing up lose and loose. In particular, a lot of people are writing loose when they really mean lose. Here are the definitions of the two words from my Penguin dictionary:

loose [lOOs] adj not fastened or pre-packed; not tied up or confined; able to move freely; not tight, not firmly fixed; not close-fitting; careless, inaccurate, vague; dissolute, immoral; not closely woven;

lose (p/t and p/part lost) [lOOz] v/t and i no longer have; be deprived of by accident or misfortune; mislay, fail to find; fail to get or win; be too late for; be bereaved of; waste; be defeated or beaten;

 

[jetlag7]

Unions don't save jobs...

Nobody said otherwise....

Trying to hijack this thread???

 

[G4dude]

Don't be such a ****************************** and fight for a better CBA so that Netjets doesn't loose Capts or SICs.

I am trying to help make NJA as healthy and profitable as possible, enabling the company to hire and retain as many pilots as possible. I want the same things for pilots as union people do, we just disagree on how to accomplish these good things.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

I am trying to help make NJA as healthy and profitable as possible, enabling the company to hire and retain as many pilots as possible. I want the same things for pilots as union people do, we just disagree on how to accomplish these good things.

G4, what struck me about your previous comment was the inherent resignation that NJA will not be competitive in maintaining its pilot talent with legacy hiring increasing in the near term. This certainly doesn't have to be. Collectively, as a private sector association, we have the leverage to seek enhancements that would provide industry leading compensation. To achieve this, we will need the assistance of the entire group including the GLC folks. NJA can be very successful while still providing an industry leading agreement for its pilots.

 

[gutshotdraw]

To achieve this, we will need the assistance of the entire group including the GLC folks.

A) The GLC is dead. The new FOM revision excised every reference to the GLC. Jusssss sayin.

B) In order to garner the support of the G4/GV fleet pilots, it might help if the usual suspects on the message board STOPPED THEIR ANGER, JEALOUSY, AND RESENTMENT party EVERY TIME a former NJI pilot dares to post. Or even when they don't. The "get-even-with-em-ism" is staggering and totally counterproductive to the stated goal.

C) Isn't it interesting that there are exactly TWO former NJI pilots on union committees (Travel and Safety) and ZERO former NJI have even been ASKED to serve as a Steward or on the Negotiating committee?

I just love the "sit down, shut up, pay your dues, but do EVERYTHING we tell you to do and swear an oath to union brotherhood" attitude that I see EVERY day on the road and on the boards.

You want "assistance"? Start cultivating it with respect instead of spite.

 

[Blueridgeflyer]

A) The GLC is dead. The new FOM revision excised every reference to the GLC. Jusssss sayin.

B) In order to garner the support of the G4/GV fleet pilots, it might help if the usual suspects on the message board STOPPED THEIR ANGER, JEALOUSY, AND RESENTMENT party EVERY TIME a former NJI pilot dares to post. Or even when they don't. The "get-even-with-em-ism" is staggering and totally counterproductive to the stated goal.

C) Isn't it interesting that there are exactly TWO former NJI pilots on union committees (Travel and Safety) and ZERO former NJI have even been ASKED to serve as a Steward or on the Negotiating committee?

I just love the "sit down, shut up, pay your dues, but do EVERYTHING we tell you to do and swear an oath to union brotherhood" attitude that I see EVERY day on the road and on the boards.

You want "assistance"? Start cultivating it with respect instead of spite.

Relax and go easy on the Caps chief. Please don't inject false motivations into this discussion.

 

[imacdog]

How is it going with the G guys quitting for better pastures anyway?

 

[gutshotdraw]

How is it going with the G guys quitting for better pastures anyway?

We're up to five or six since integration by my rough count with another half dozen planning retirement in the next 12 months.

We've also had about 10 flight attendants bail in the last 18 months with a handful more interviewing.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Relax and go easy on the Caps chief. Please don't inject false motivations into this discussion.

It's okay. We know you hate us. We're used to it. And it's a huge part of the motivation. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

 

[Denizen]

I know 4 at USA Jet that would accept recall on a minute's notice.

Didn't everyone just get laid off?