SWA crew names released

[Dan Roman]

I don't have a clue one way or the other. My point was anything like this always produces hearsay and outright lies. So putting any stock in what "someone" says is nebulous to say the least. One of my favorites was the UAL 737 that went in at Colorado Springs. I "heard" it was a husband and wife flying together having a fight. People make up crap all the time. It may very well have been a female Captain and she may very well have screwed up. But no matter what the reality is, there will be lot's of speculation that will get twisted into someones perception of reality. If it's a woman, it will get even more twisted around by the pilots with female issues and the truth will get twisted even further.

 

[airplane wizard]

Is she hot?

 

[dicko]

I heard the ATC tape; A female acknowledged the clearance to land. Using my powers of deduction I drew a diagram. In the diagram, the PM was a female. Therefore the PF is a man or a women.

Or a man with a women's voice. With Red hair, which would explain everything.

 

[Dan Roman]

I heard the ATC tape; A female acknowledged the clearance to land. Using my powers of deduction I drew a diagram. In the diagram, the PM was a female. Therefore the PF is a man or a women.

Or a man with a women's voice. With Red hair, which would explain everything.

So there we have it. Kinda proves all the other perspectives on here as just foolish jumping to conclusions. Thanks Dicko. BTW how fast were they taxing on the previous day of what was obviously a 3 day trip?

 

[dicko]

BTW how fast were they taxing on the previous day of what was obviously a 3 day trip?

I'd rather not discuss taxes.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I'd rather not discuss taxes.

That's ironic, because I think her name was really Donna Taxmee Moore.

Bubba

 

[Safetycheck]

Not funny.

Will Barrow? :laugh::laugh:

Lucy Flats? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

The fact that an airline crew slammed it in nose first? Not funny at all.

Somebody needs a leeetle more dual received?

 

[HA25]

anybody know them?

The Captain was Kent Parker Wright and the FO was Misty Buttons

Brilliant and I'd expect nothing less from you after reading your assessment of the legal situation for Asiana on hangar talk haha....

 

[ackattacker]

Captain Ivana Rekker
F/O Anita Bruski

 

[4day]

Well then I guess that makes it true.....I remember when PeopleExpress had a 747 scrap an engine pod on landing. It was common knowledge that it was one of the female Captains. Only problem was, it was totally false and simply made up by someone with obvious Mommy issues. Seems like there are still pilots with Mommy issues. Not sure what gender has to do with it. If there was a breakdown in CRM effecting the landing, both pilots would likely be a contributing factor.

She took the airplane below 400ft and crashed it. So much for CRM.

 

[eaglesview]

At Southwest, the only CA-only landing is EWY (Key West).

Although a couple of times when they did work in BWI on the intersection of the main runways (28 and 33L), it necessitated the use of the small VFR-only RWY 4. That has happened twice since I've been here, and I think it was for a period of a week or less in both cases. That special case was also CA-only.

Also, at SNA, that is a CA-only takeoff (typically the FO lands to maintain the alternating flow of legs), with its special cutback procedure.

Bubba

All sounds odd. No captain only restrictions anywhere at UAL, takeoff or landing.

 

[waveflyer]

All sounds odd. No captain only restrictions anywhere at UAL, takeoff or landing.

odd for good reason-

Two schools of thought here

Capt only : let the most senior (usually the most experienced) land at challenging places

Either: let the FO experience things for the first time with the more senior captain there to help if need be.

I clearly agree with the later philosophy- otherwise when the FO upgrades- now they've never taken off at SNA or landed at key west- and might be paired with a brand new FO when they do those for the first time-
Seriously, we aren't flying to aspen here- and RJ drivers do that all day


At the major airline level??? Everyone's experienced enough to handle anything line flying throws- and if not- go get some experience before we hire you-

 

[humveedriver]

odd for good reason-

At the major airline level??? Everyone's experienced enough to handle anything line flying throws- and if not- go get some experience before we hire you-

It's not about the experience level, it's about the liability. Since the Captain is ultimately responsible for anything that goes wrong, he or she is the one who gets hung. I also think it gives the Captain an "out", to help promote a good cockpit atmosphere. Rather than telling an FO he/she isn't comfortable with you landing at the short airport near max landing weight, they can just brief it's Captain only, avoiding any hurt feelings.

 

[Dan Roman]

She took the airplane below 400ft and crashed it. So much for CRM.

Pretty much sums up terrible CRM nicely!
My point is that it has nothing to do with gender. If a Male said I got it and crashed it would be equally bad and of course history is riddled with plenty of males guilty of even worse CRM digressions than this.
If your CRM skills suck, they suck no matter what your gender.

 

[waveflyer]

It's not about the experience level, it's about the liability. Since the Captain is ultimately responsible for anything that goes wrong, he or she is the one who gets hung. I also think it gives the Captain an "out", to help promote a good cockpit atmosphere. Rather than telling an FO he/she isn't comfortable with you landing at the short airport near max landing weight, they can just brief it's Captain only, avoiding any hurt feelings.

Really?

At the major airline level it's about sensitive feelers and captains not trusting their FO's to fly as well as them?

Sorry man, but that's ridiculous- maybe that's a little bit necessary in a probation year- maybe first couple of years for certain backgrounds- but most major pilots have been flying transport category jets in both seats for years before they ever sit day 1 in class- and a strong captain doesn't need a restriction placed on ALL FO's to do what they feel is best in a situation.

"Captain only" is just odd. No other way to say it.
Except maybe 'condescending'

Why do I feel like our profession is being so dumbed down...(?)

 

[madjack]

Tiller an HUD guidance give CP side an ergonomic advantage...

 

[dicko]

Tiller an HUD guidance give CP side an ergonomic advantage...

The tiller is for taxiing homie. If you're using it to land an airplane you're doing it incorrectly. Apart from CAT 2 and 3 approaches, the HUD is a moo point as well. Plenty of pilots land 737s every day without one.

Yes, that's right. I said moo.

 

[Dan Roman]

The tiller is for taxiing homie. If you're using it to land an airplane you're doing it incorrectly. Apart from CAT 2 and 3 approaches, the HUD is a moo point as well. Plenty of pilots land 737s every day without one.

Yes, that's right. I said moo.

Spot on with that one. I vaguely remember a CO airplane that went off the runway in a strong crosswind. I forget the particulars other than reading that the Captain was trying to steer the airplane with the tiller at something north of 100 kts. I was blown away that someone would use the tiller for directional control on T/O at that speed.
Two perfectly good airplanes crashed while trying to land in nice weather.
Gotta wonder what the FAA response is going to be. The Asian carrier over dependence on technology and weak CRM is well known, but a SWA crew that has spent their career at the airline doing nothing but fly 737's and frankly, I would peg the SWA crews as having the polar opposite cockpit environment of the Asian crews (professional but friendly and relaxed) so the two accidents will be pretty hard to come up with a common denominator.
Perhaps an hour in a taildragger at recurrent?

 

[dicko]

Spot on with that one. I vaguely remember a CO airplane that went off the runway in a strong crosswind. I forget the particulars other than reading that the Captain was trying to steer the airplane with the tiller at something north of 100 kts. I was blown away that someone would use the tiller for directional control on T/O at that speed.
Two perfectly good airplanes crashed while trying to land in nice weather.
Gotta wonder what the FAA response is going to be. The Asian carrier over dependence on technology and weak CRM is well known, but a SWA crew that has spent their career at the airline doing nothing but fly 737's and frankly, I would peg the SWA crews as having the polar opposite cockpit environment of the Asian crews (professional but friendly and relaxed) so the two accidents will be pretty hard to come up with a common denominator.
Perhaps an hour in a taildragger at recurrent?

A few days ago we were passed by a SWA jet taxiing at considerable speed. The F.O. remarked to me that the SWA Captain was "taxiing like he stole it". I said - "That's Mad Jack. He did steal it. First he stole the seat, now he's making off with the rest of the jet".








i made that up. It's all a lie

 

[humveedriver]

Really?

At the major airline level it's about sensitive feelers and captains not trusting their FO's to fly as well as them?

Sorry man, but that's ridiculous- maybe that's a little bit necessary in a probation year- maybe first couple of years for certain backgrounds- but most major pilots have been flying transport category jets in both seats for years before they ever sit day 1 in class- and a strong captain doesn't need a restriction placed on ALL FO's to do what they feel is best in a situation.

"Captain only" is just odd. No other way to say it.
Except maybe 'condescending'

Why do I feel like our profession is being so dumbed down...(?)

Maybe you are right. I've always accepted it based on the temperament of the airline managers, POI and the airlines history. Some Captain only stuff is retarded. SWA is more restrictive than others in that way. But that's changing.