AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[LeeRoyJenkins]

No they don't. Flying to a couple of cities in Mexico doesn't count. Wow, they talked to Monterrey Center, or maybe it was Mazatlan. Flying the WATRS routes, the NAT tracks, a random route to Africa, or deep SA is International. I know, going to Mexico is technically international, but there's nothing challenging about it.

There is nothing challenging about flying over the Atlantic either.

 

[PCL_128]

The "bigs?" An airline that can't even figure out ETOPS? You're funny.

 

[madjack]

But wait a FAT is in charge at the TC...we' re saved...you flew for an over leveraged regional that operated an obsolete RJ because without a college degree DL wouldn't hire you...now the best thing that ever happened in your airline career comes along and all u do cry and whine!

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Welcome to the bigs! Don't trip over yourselves scrambling to get off the rat ship!

You do realize less than a 1/4 have transitioned and shortly, of the remaining 3/4,more than half will wait to be forced off the "rat ship" via inverse seniority. Meanwhile there is a thread on our internal forum discussing leaving for recalls or applying to other carriers when they start hiring. I don't think many will be tripping over themselves, most will be forced to walk the plank.

 

[Ty Webb]

His "regional" airline? Is that supposed to be some kind of put down? You do fly for SWA right? U probably don't even see the irony in that do ya?

737's are "big iron" to him . . . the rest of the planes in his profile are turboprops.

Kind of funny that he just upgraded into one of our coveted CA seats, and instead of enjoying it, he comes on here and throws rocks at the guys who will be flying FO for him.

I'm thinking he's not digging the left seat reserve in OAK. :crying:

 

[XRMEFLYER]

737's are "big iron" to him . . . the rest of the planes in his profile are turboprops.

Kind of funny that he just upgraded into one of our coveted CA seats, and instead of enjoying it, he comes on here and throws rocks at the guys who will be flying FO for him.

I'm thinking he's not digging the left seat reserve in OAK. :crying:

She clearly doesn't get the irony of working for a "regional" airline and yet trying to denigrate someone else for doing the same thing. Given her lack of luv for us not surprised she can't see how bad that makes her look. There is one in every crowd. What's really disappointing is the shortage of her SWAPA colleagues on here shouting down her idiocy. Can't wait to get to the "bigs" and all of that golden rule culture they have going over there. How bout you Ty?

 

[Ty Webb]

She clearly doesn't get the irony of working for a "regional" airline and yet trying to denigrate someone else for doing the same thing.

Yup. I was thinking the same thing.

Can't wait to get to the "bigs" and all of that golden rule culture they have going over there. How bout you Ty?

Ahhhh . . . . It is what it is. At least we'll finally have shoes and jackets that match. . . . Never quite got the brown jackets with black shoes thing.

 

[SWA Bubba]

She clearly doesn't get the irony of working for a "regional" airline and yet trying to denigrate someone else for doing the same thing. Given her lack of luv for us not surprised she can't see how bad that makes her look. There is one in every crowd. What's really disappointing is the shortage of her SWAPA colleagues on here shouting down her idiocy. Can't wait to get to the "bigs" and all of that golden rule culture they have going over there. How bout you Ty?

Trust me, neither side has a shortage of internet hotheads or people posting stupid crap. Other than occasionally chastising PCL, I don't see any AirTran guys "shouting down [any] idiocy" from their side. The only AirTran guy who gets any grief on a regular basis is Maxblast, and that's only because he doesn't toe the FI version of AirTran's arguments.

On the bright side, however, I suspect that in real life, the vast majority on both sides are civil, polite, nice, and even accommodating when face to face. Why, I bet that includes even Sacha and Madjack, and even Fletch, ATLplt and 717.

That even includes me! In real life, I'm much nicer, not to mention better looking, than I am on FI.

Bubba

 

[Ty Webb]

On the bright side, however, I suspect that in real life, the vast majority on both sides are civil, polite, nice, and even accommodating when face to face. Why, I bet that includes even Sacha and Madjack, and even Fletch, ATLplt and 717.

Not me Bubba.

The next guy that offers to pay for my coffee in Starbucks is GONNA WEAR IT, BAY-BEE!!!

 

[madjack]

one of our coveted CA seats

Ha Ha, you are so full of yourself...but what do you expect from a guy who was "mentored" by ValuJet and Eastern scabs...you couldn't get a job at a real airline and now you got a cheap ticket to SWA, yeah you didn't get all you wanted but you got a lot! Sorry you have to pimp yourself out to make ends meet but I'm sure the DL guys enjoy the cheap BJs at the "International" terminal...

 

[intooclose]

I'm going at the very FIRST OPPORTUNITY.....stay at Airtran.....really? I don't even have to pay for a type. It just a J-O-B people. Southwest is a better one than Airtran. The fact that this is continually debated is crazy. All the haters have valid points but do not take reality into account. If arbitration was involved there was a high likelyhood of non-intergration.

 

[Ty Webb]

Wacky Jack, that was pretty funny.

You enjoy that seat now, y'hear? And be nice to those FO's . . . . God knows they're probably working a lot harder than you know.

 

[madjack]

Not sure what's chapping ur ass, you will be a Cappy soon enuf at SWA making more than u ever have...but all u can do is bitch and moan...don't u feel the least bit guilty for taking food off the table of ur fellow AAI pilots? U come on here cause u like to bash ur employer and u get a lot of sympathy fm the trolls...

 

[Ty Webb]

Not sure what's chapping ur ass, you will be a Cappy soon enuf at SWA making more than u ever have...but all u can do is bitch and moan...don't u feel the least bit guilty for taking food off the table of ur fellow AAI pilots? U come on here cause u like to bash ur employer and u get a lot of sympathy fm the trolls...

Uh, no.

I'm not bitching about anything. I've accepted it for what it is.

What I don't get is why you, one of the few guys who actually benefitted from this deal, are so miserable that you have to come here every day to take potshots at the very pilots who lost their seats and who will be flying with you.

It's like you spent the last ten years in the right seat, thinking how great it would be when you're the Captain and that it would fix everything . . . and now you're there, and you realize you're still the same dude you were before, same problems, just ten years older.

Sorry, man, I can give you my seat, but I can't fix the rest of it.

 

[madjack]

Not bitching? U take every opportunity to slam Gk, golden rule, we cant fly intl blah blah blah...but ur one of the biggest winners in this deal...SWA will be ur last airline gig and u will be a Cappy very shortly... How do u sleep at nite knowing u and the ATL rabble STOLE money from your own junior CPs and FOs?

 

[Ty Webb]

Not bitching? U take every opportunity to slam Gk, golden rule, we cant fly intl blah blah blah...but ur one of the biggest winners in this deal...SWA will be ur last airline gig and u will be a Cappy very shortly... How do u sleep at nite knowing u and the ATL rabble STOLE money from your own junior CPs and FOs?

Wow.

I'm putting you on ignore.
All joking aside, I think you have mental health issues. I'm not kidding. I really do.

 

[madjack]

It won't help ur well known

 

[Ty Webb]

Oh, I'm sure you're very well known as well, just for different reasons. . . .

. . . and you probably don't even know it.

See you on the other side.

This message is hidden because madjack is on your ignore list.

 

[madjack]

C ya later skipper

 

[ron burgundy]

3500 flights everyday. Over 100 thousand a month.

I think we probably know how to fly the airplane.

No doubt that you can fly an airplane..just terrible drivers and need to stay off the roads!

 

[waveflyer]

You do realize less than a 1/4 have transitioned and shortly, of the remaining 3/4,more than half will wait to be forced off the "rat ship" via inverse seniority. Meanwhile there is a thread on our internal forum discussing leaving for recalls or applying to other carriers when they start hiring. I don't think many will be tripping over themselves, most will be forced to walk the plank.

Sincerely not a half bad idea if you're not into the SWA culture- there will be opportunities elsewhere that have pretty great futures.
(Widebody capt by 2020-2022, anyone)

 

[FlyinGuy]

Not me Bubba.

The next guy that offers to pay for my coffee in Starbucks is GONNA WEAR IT, BAY-BEE!!!

I try to get in line by the AT guys so they will buy mine!!

It has not worked yet, but I am still trying. Common' you cheep trannies, pony up!!!

 

[scoreboardII]

Sincerely not a half bad idea if you're not into the SWA culture- there will be opportunities elsewhere that have pretty great futures.
(Widebody capt by 2020-2022, anyone)

Widebody at SWA? Before 2025? Nope.

 

[waveflyer]

Widebody at SWA? Before 2025? Nope.

Reread my man

Saying the pilots senior to me ought to consider legacies- it might be the first smart time in a decade to make the move
Junior guys too

Don't be unhappy if you got choices for Christ's sake-

 

[Crash Pad]

Over under on Trannies that leave Ill put at 25. It's another tranny cool aid shooter they pass around in ground school. Here are some others:
1. SWA is blown away by the 717
2. Our Foqua data blows SWA away
3. They know we are really upset so they are going to throw us a "bone"
4. If we get past this piece of the DRC, SWAPA will cave
5. We make 90% of the SWA profit

Those are just a couple gems from my last few ground schools. They eat it up over here. What's even funnier is they don't think they are drinking the cool aid!

The trannies will leave comes in this format "all kinds of guys are jumping ship because they are pissed at how this went down"... Translation: one guy from CLT went to USAir and two guys took their AA recall.

 

[27 driver]

The reality of it is that starting over is a BITCH! If you are young and unencumbered leaving is a good option if the legacy of choice offers you a job. Otherwise you are stuck. Make the best of it. Lots of people venting and saying they are leaving. Time will tell how many make the leap. The legacy hiring is just getting started and the most suitable of all (DAL) hasn't opened the window yet. I guess we will see how many are serious about leaving.

 

[Crash Pad]

You left out one small reality. These jobs are hard to get. A major doesn't "offer you a job". First you have to get past the algorithm that selects resumes. Big time airlines look at log books, college degrees, mental testing, medical testing, then a panel of people can decide its blue tie day and you wore red. The reason most of us "picked AirTran" is because they were the only ones hiring or it was the job we could get. Here is another secret everyone was looking for the door before SWA bought us. Now it is much harder to come up with a reason to leave.

Anyone honest with themselves knows AirTran is a fine enough airline but it isn't in the same sport as Delta, SWA, or bankrupt AA. Our Pre SWA contract would make a regional captain puke. What was it 10 days off and all the ready reserve you can eat. $75 an hour 12 year FO. Our five year fight contract has 12 days off or 14 on a low month. SWA looked at our refugee camp and gave us 15 off because beating children is only fun until your up by 50 runs.

So now you want to take your 717 time to Delta... Pull out a calculator. Someone says Delta is hiring 400 this year... Sure, whatever, but we will use that number.
200ish will be military
100ish will be some sort of flow
That leaves 100 spots.
Hope that resume is up to speed because the guys at the regionals have multiple types, college degrees, 10,000 PIC turbine, young and cool aid friendly, check airmen, etc.
Oh and PNCL negotiated an interview for there pilots.

Don't get me wrong I hope every tranny who applies gets hired. I am so sick of hearing these ass clowns say some version of "I'll just got to Delta" or "If I were junior I would just go to Delta"

 

[Ty Webb]

Here is another secret everyone was looking for the door before SWA bought us. Now it is much harder to come up with a reason to leave.

Anyone honest with themselves knows AirTran is a fine enough airline but it isn't in the same sport as Delta, SWA, or bankrupt AA. Our Pre SWA contract would make a regional captain puke. What was it 10 days off and all the ready reserve you can eat. $75 an hour 12 year FO. Our five year fight contract has 12 days off or 14 on a low month. SWA looked at our refugee camp and gave us 15 off because beating children is only fun until your up by 50 runs.

I agree with one thing - life at the bottom here was pretty bad, especially if you were on reserve, or on the old FO pay scale, it was almost like working at a different airline than it was for lineholder Captains. For lineholder Captains, it was pretty good, which is why the junior folks got most of the improvement in the new contract. . . .

The disparity between the two is probably also why the MEC did not put out SIA1 for a vote- the junior half of the seniority list would have viewed anything as an improvement, and voted accordingly.

 

[madjack]

Yeah and got a huge raise you moron...now they wait to jump the partition to get it...easy for you to pass cause ur a Cappy living the "good life"...let's not forget all the jr cappys would have kept their seats...

 

[redflyer65]

Airport standby at 40/hr. That's horrible. Hardly pays for a Popeye's basket.