AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[canyonblue]

to what? (GASP) 90 cities?

Get over yourself quoting wiener measuring stats like number of flights....

Says the guy who is a veteran SWA stalker. Just can't stay away from the most popular airline out there huh? I don't even bother to read a thread about Delta, who cares about Delta anyway.

 

[Flyer1015]

Unlikely that I'll still be working here when SWAPA takes over representation. If that happens quicker than expected, though, then no, I won't be using any SWAPA avatar. I was hopeful when new officers took over that SWAPA might start acting like adults, but so far they're still pushing this "AirTran pilots can't file a DRA claim" nonsense, so I have no desire to associate myself with SWAPA. I'll pay my dues and be a member in good standing, but that's about it.

SWAPA is still trying to protect its own pilot group. You are hardcore ALPA. Why don't you want to become a hardcore SWAPA guy?

 

[PCL_128]

SWAPA is still trying to protect its own pilot group. You are hardcore ALPA. Why don't you want to become a hardcore SWAPA guy?

Two reasons:

1. Ethics matter, and they evidently have none.

2. The term "independent union" is an oxymoron.

 

[redflyer65]

to what? (GASP) 90 cities?

Get over yourself quoting wiener measuring stats like number of flights....

Thats funny Bill. I'm just stating factual numbers. We could fly across the globe like Delta does too.....but I'm sure we would just set the auto pilot for that 14 hour flight like you do. 90 cities in 48 states means we don't have to get our landings in a sim to be current...right?

Why did you even both to respond? Feeling a little inadequate?

 

[canyonblue]

Two reasons:

1. Ethics matter, and they evidently have none.

Sounds exactly like AAI ALPA.

 

[Ty Webb]

Thats funny Bill. I'm just stating factual numbers. We could fly across the globe like Delta does too.....but I'm sure we would just set the auto pilot for that 14 hour flight like you do. 90 cities in 48 states means we don't have to get our landings in a sim to be current...right?

Why did you even both to respond? Feeling a little inadequate?

Hand-flying and landing are basically mechanical skills. International flying can be plenty challenging; it's not all talking to Miami Center while flying across open water in radar contact.

Some of those places have arcane procedures you will vaguely remember, plus rocks in the clouds and "controllers" who will cheerfully give you permission to kill yourself in several languages, none of which sound much like English. :laugh:

 

[zippy32]

Speaking of international, there's a rumor going around that an Air Tran pilot was hit by a car on an SJU overnight. Is he/she okay? Prayers sent out.

 

[27 driver]

Speaking of international, there's a rumor going around that an Air Tran pilot was hit by a car on an SJU overnight. Is he/she okay? Prayers sent out.

Last I heard he was critical moving to stable. But that was on the line so could be just gossip. Hope he is ok!

 

[redflyer65]

Hand-flying and landing are basically mechanical skills. International flying can be plenty challenging; it's not all talking to Miami Center while flying across open water in radar contact.

Some of those places have arcane procedures you will vaguely remember, plus rocks in the clouds and "controllers" who will cheerfully give you permission to kill yourself in several languages, none of which sound much like English. :laugh:

I agree and understand Ty. My only point was...I think our mechanical skills are pretty good with the simple volume of flying we do. International brings it's own differences. Flying across open oceans for 8-14 hours really doesn't have any mechanical interaction with the plane. Calling reporting points and understanding the controller brings on a different type of work, but I wouldn't call it a stick and rudder skill.

 

[fam62c]

We have no ROR on the RSW side for our pilots being displaced by FAT

The difference (if there is a difference) is that the pilots who were awarded 717 positions to occupy when they crossed the fence to SW in the transition bid will be displaced out of equipment because their awarded bid position doesn't exist anymore. To my knowledge this has never happened to a SW pilot, getting pushed out the bottom of a base when the company reduces the size of the base is not the same thing. I don't know what, if anything, the SW contract says as far as handling an equipment displacement but I think that's the question.

Let's say that tomorrow SW said they were buying 20 787's, awarded the vacancies and sent a bunch of pilots off to school. Then, after the pilots completed training and flew the planes for a year the company disposed of the 787 fleet and these pilots got displaced from their 787 equipment bid awards and had to go back to the 737. Would these (let's say very senior) pilots have to go back to say, OAK and LAS if those were the only bases available or could they use their seniority to displace more junior pilots to get back to DAL, HOU or wherever? This is the scenario that's being discussed I think but I may be wrong. I don't know if the SW contract says anything because SW only has one aircraft type so it's never happened before until now.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Thats funny Bill. I'm just stating factual numbers. We could fly across the globe like Delta does too.....but I'm sure we would just set the auto pilot for that 14 hour flight like you do. 90 cities in 48 states means we don't have to get our landings in a sim to be current...right?

Why did you even both to respond? Feeling a little inadequate?

No, my jet is bigger than yours....happy? Child.....

I read this board for entertainment, but when you go all "look at me and how we are the best" warrior blah blah blah garbage....I just gotta chime in.

You did those AT pilots no favors and then feed them more bs about how well you treated them? Save it....

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

PCL can always move over and get in bed with the General and then be able to sip $8 coffees on the Avenue des Champs-Ẻlysẻes or St Marks Square in Venice while using their smart phones to annoy everyone else on FI.
(FYI the Avenue des Champs-Ẻlysẻes is in Paris)

 

[madjack]

We had 100 + CPs get downgraded...

 

[madjack]

Most pilots at SWA have flown international...

 

[FlyinGuy]

Blah, Blah, Blah, Who cares....the SLI is done!!! It is what it is. You guys are all living in the "tool" shed!!

 

[madjack]

Welcome

 

[SWA/FO]

Hand-flying and landing are basically mechanical skills. International flying can be plenty challenging; it's not all talking to Miami Center while flying across open water in radar contact.

Some of those places have arcane procedures you will vaguely remember, plus rocks in the clouds and "controllers" who will cheerfully give you permission to kill yourself in several languages, none of which sound much like English. :laugh:

As Madjack states: Most Southwest Pilots have flown international. I know the Trannys invented the single engine taxi, but they didn't invent international flying!!

 

[redflyer65]

No, my jet is bigger than yours....happy? Child.....

I read this board for entertainment, but when you go all "look at me and how we are the best" warrior blah blah blah garbage....I just gotta chime in.

You did those AT pilots no favors and then feed them more bs about how well you treated them? Save it....

You making a point Bill or just blathering on to hear yourself talk.

I keep looking at you post for some factual info or specific point. I can't find it.

I could care less about who's jet is bigger, etc. I've never said anything about being the best or about warrior spirit. That's not my MO. I usually just try to stick to the facts. If you have a problem with some factual point I make, then refute it. I'm not afraid to say I got something wrong, so go for it.

I guess you just decided to pull those things out of your arse (warrior spirt, etc) to make some stupid, useless point. Maybe you should get together with the Gen and start a new DL thread. You haven't said anything worth reading in this one. Didn't you guys have some block party to talk about?

 

[maxblast72]

1. Ethics matter, and they evidently have none.

Maybe if our secret recording specialist former MEC rep isn't too busy recording private conversations with senior Southwest management or our Merger Committee chairman, she can teach an ethics class at SWAPA after she crosses the partition.

 

[Ty Webb]

Most pilots at SWA have flown international...

Yeah, but anything aft of the flight deck door doesn't count. :laugh:

Neither does being tethered to the mothership in between US Airbases.