AirTran MEC: Whine on!

[Ty Webb]

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[maxblast72]

Yes, please go over, we are tired of your BS over here.

Actually, the benefit is we will get to stay at AirTran a little longer. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[737tanker]

The AT MEC isn't supposed to communicate with it's membership?

The AT MEC can communicate all they want but if they believe that their contract has been violate they would be better off filing a grievance. Sending a letter to the membership won't get SWA to change what they are doing.

 

[B73av8r]

Actually, the benefit is we will get to stay at AirTran a little longer. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh your previous and continued actions combined with what you did to the Airtran pilot group have gone way beyond disappointment.

 

[PCL_128]

The AT MEC can communicate all they want but if they believe that their contract has been violate they would be better off filing a grievance. Sending a letter to the membership won't get SWA to change what they are doing.

The equivalent of a grievance has already been filed through the DRA process. The SWAPA crybabies refused to hear anything of it, claiming that AirTran pilots didn't have access to the DRA process. So we went to a different arbitration to force SWAPA to act like adults and acknowledge that people on both sides of the partition have access to the DRA process. An answer should come from that arbitrator soon, and then we'll proceed with the real arbitration that would have happened last year if Steve Chase hadn't had so much sand up his vagina.

 

[madjack]

The angry 27 AAI guys are back...crying all the way to the bank...

 

[redflyer65]

I'm glad the mighty ALPA is stepping in to right the wrongs. Yawn.

Talk about blowhards. How's that 2800 dollar dinner going to be expensed? Maybe just say it was all Avian water.

 

[737tanker]

The equivalent of a grievance has already been filed through the DRA process. The SWAPA crybabies refused to hear anything of it, claiming that AirTran pilots didn't have access to the DRA process. So we went to a different arbitration to force SWAPA to act like adults and acknowledge that people on both sides of the partition have access to the DRA process. An answer should come from that arbitrator soon, and then we'll proceed with the real arbitration that would have happened last year if Steve Chase hadn't had so much sand up his vagina.

You do realize that ship has sailed as no arbitrator can redo the seniority list. So other than a redo of the SLI just what is it that you are hoping to get out of arbitration?

 

[Tripower455]

You do realize that ship has sailed as no arbitrator can redo the seniority list. So other than a redo of the SLI just what is it that you are hoping to get out of arbitration?

They are (rightfully) ticked off that the deal changed after the 717 went away. They bid thinking that they were staying on the property much longer than they are now. Making up for their loss of pay due to much lower line totals until 1/1/15 isn't too much to ask for, IMHO.

As for the possibility of redoing the list via arbitration.... The AT folks are not bringing anywhere near as many seats to the party as they were when "we", overwhelmingly, agreed to this SLI.

Supposing we go to arbitration to redo the SLI, then wouldn't the lack of 717s be considered by the arbitrator too? What % of the AT fleet was comprised of 717s? More than 51%?

Would Bond McCaskill have even been a consideration if we knew about the 717s going away before the SLI?

Oh, and PCL, why do you even care? You're not coming over anyway, right?

 

[27 driver]

They are (rightfully) ticked off that the deal changed after the 717 went away. They bid thinking that they were staying on the property much longer than they are now. Making up for their loss of pay due to much lower line totals until 1/1/15 isn't too much to ask for, IMHO.

As for the possibility of redoing the list via arbitration.... The AT folks are not bringing anywhere near as many seats to the party as they were when "we", overwhelmingly, agreed to this SLI.

Supposing we go to arbitration to redo the SLI, then wouldn't the lack of 717s be considered by the arbitrator too? What % of the AT fleet was comprised of 717s? More than 51%?

Would Bond McCaskill have even been a consideration if we knew about the 717s going away before the SLI?

Oh, and PCL, why do you even care? You're not coming over anyway, right?

I don't think we are trying to get a redo on the SLI. That is what it is. I think it has more to do with capt seats, displacement rights, etc. The list won't be changed. For the bottom half of the AAI list the DRC won't make much if any difference at all.
I don't think Bond Mckaskil has anything to do with this particular arbitration. Many have already transitioned. That ship has sailed as well.
Time to sit back and watch the show. We should find out if it will even go to arbitration in the next few weeks. The wheels turn slow.

 

[ATLplt]

Displacement rights are a big part of the DRC. A displaced pilot is able to bid into the base their seniority can hold immediately instead of waiting months or years. That's the way I understand it anyway.

 

[madjack]

We have no ROR on the RSW side for our pilots being displaced by FAT

 

[737tanker]

SWAPA looked into getting ROR into the CBA but SWA management said that it wouldn't be fair to the AirTran pilots so they wouldn't even discuss it. Good luck getting displacement rights when there is nothing in the SWAPA contract, nor the SLI, that mentions it.

 

[Tripower455]

I don't think we are trying to get a redo on the SLI. That is what it is. I think it has more to do with capt seats, displacement rights, etc. The list won't be changed. For the bottom half of the AAI list the DRC won't make much if any difference at all.
I don't think Bond Mckaskil has anything to do with this particular arbitration. Many have already transitioned. That ship has sailed as well.
Time to sit back and watch the show. We should find out if it will even go to arbitration in the next few weeks. The wheels turn slow.

Agreed. I think you guys that are still over there are getting a different deal than you bargained for, and there should be some compensation for that.

I should've quoted PCL when he said:

An answer should come from that arbitrator soon, and then we'll proceed with the real arbitration that would have happened last year if Steve Chase hadn't had so much sand up his vagina.

Was he talking about arbitrating the SLI, or something else. My mistake if he was referring to some other arbitration "that would've happened last year".

 

[27 driver]

Agreed. I think you guys that are still over there are getting a different deal than you bargained for, and there should be some compensation for that.

I should've quoted PCL when he said:

Was he talking about arbitrating the SLI, or something else. My mistake if he was referring to some other arbitration "that would've happened last year".

I can't speak for PCL but I believe he was referring to the recent deal. The first go around was to determine if we had the "jusridiction" to file the case. SWAPA's stance is that we don't and AAI ALPA feels that we do. If it comes back in the affirmative then we go to arbitration. If not the case is dead. Once again I don't think it is to change the SLI. I am pretty sure that can't happen.

 

[SWA/FO]

The equivalent of a grievance has already been filed through the DRA process. The

SWAPA crybabies refused to hear anything of it, claiming that AirTran pilots didn't have access to the DRA process. So we went to a different arbitration to force SWAPA to act like adults and acknowledge that people on both sides of the partition have access to the DRA process. An answer should come from that arbitrator soon, and then we'll proceed with the real arbitration that would have happened last year if Steve Chase hadn't had so much sand up his vagina.

No, really....tell us what you think. Does this mean that you resign sooner? :beer:

 

[bravodude]

The equivalent of a grievance has already been filed through the DRA process. The

No, really....tell us what you think. Does this mean that you resign sooner? :beer:

I am going to start a fund for trying to sell PCL128 to ALPA. I hope and pray Moak is willing to take this ahloe of our hands.

 

[Phlintstone]

I am going to start a fund for trying to sell PCL128 to ALPA. I hope and pray Moak is willing to take this ahloe of our hands.

Try Craigslist or if that doesn't work, Ebay.

Phred

 

[Kharma Police]

I am going to start a fund for trying to sell PCL128 to ALPA. I hope and pray Moak is willing to take this ahloe of our hands.

Can Slick and Big Sis go too?

 

[Tripower455]

I can't speak for PCL but I believe he was referring to the recent deal. The first go around was to determine if we had the "jusridiction" to file the case. SWAPA's stance is that we don't and AAI ALPA feels that we do. If it comes back in the affirmative then we go to arbitration. If not the case is dead. Once again I don't think it is to change the SLI. I am pretty sure that can't happen.

Ahh. My mistake!