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[jynxyjericho]

They are keeping expectations realistic. Obviously they want to see if owning a cheap regional would be worth it in the long run, but with so much training costs and the fact Pinnacle didn't go as low as they wanted (GoJets) we won't be around a whole lot longer. The only way to mitigate some of the costs is to get more airplanes and that means more damn RJ's total in DCI or we take them from other DCI carriers. Either sucks.

Regionals are dying and collapsing under their own weight. In 3-5 years there won't be but 3 regionals left and Pinnacle won't be one of them. Phildo the Dildo made that future for us.

 

[xjhawk]

There are still people scared that Delta will sell us off. Those rumors to me lack any care as our only asset is the number of pilots we have and everyone knows people are leaving as fast as they can. The only thing that will keep me from leaving as soon as I can will be a staple-not a flow as I have already had one of those and they are not worth a crap. I will also not be waiting around for 1000 pilots to get hired at Delta or somewhere else before I am granted an "interview" with Delta.

 

[Flyer1015]

Their pilots got a new contract before the amenable date, they could do the same thing here.

That's quite doubtful. They made it 7 years for a reason. It's very unlikely that they will get a new contract before the amendable. And if past history is any lesson, remember the time period from May '05 to Feb '11?

There could be a staple.

No way. Delta didn't even give 9E a flow like they did Compass. If Delta wanted to staple Pinnacle, it would have happened instead of the SSP.

There could be signing bonuses.

First, that would be a real slap in the face considering concessions were voted in. Second, just how much? 5k? The competition is already offering 5k, and they are getting 53 new E170s for American. Who's gonna come to 9E for the bonus when the fleet is shrinking?

There could be the promise or a quick upgrade or new bases.

Did you seriously just say "quick upgrade"? There hasn't been a quick upgrade at 9E since late 2007. Oh are you talking about the privileged career expecting Colgan pilots?

As for bases, Delta bases are already known so it's not like they will pull one in MQT out of thin air. MEM closed, and with the mainline base long gone, it is highly unlikely MEM will come back. ATL has a chance of coming back. Other than that, DTW/JFK/MSP currently exist, which leaves SLC/LAX/SEA/CVG. CVG is out, and SkyWest/ASA are in the west. There aren't many bases that 9E can just open up.

There could be signing bonuses. Union has never and will nerver agree

It doesn't matter what Wychor and gang agree or not agree. Delta owns you and will get what it wants. When Delta says jump, 9E will jump. If there's any hint of resistance, a quick shut down threat will keep the rank/file in order.

 

[Flyer1015]

There are still people scared that Delta will sell us off. Those rumors to me lack any care as our only asset is the number of pilots we have and everyone knows people are leaving as fast as they can. The only thing that will keep me from leaving as soon as I can will be a staple-not a flow as I have already had one of those and they are not worth a crap. I will also not be waiting around for 1000 pilots to get hired at Delta or somewhere else before I am granted an "interview" with Delta.

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Now this is a smart person. Well stated!

 

[Carl_Spackler]

That's quite doubtful. They made it 7 years for a reason. It's very unlikely that they will get a new contract before the amendable. And if past history is any lesson, remember the time period from May '05 to Feb '11?


No way. Delta didn't even give 9E a flow like they did Compass. If Delta wanted to staple Pinnacle, it would have happened instead of the SSP.


First, that would be a real slap in the face considering concessions were voted in. Second, just how much? 5k? The competition is already offering 5k, and they are getting 53 new E170s for American. Who's gonna come to 9E for the bonus when the fleet is shrinking?


Did you seriously just say "quick upgrade"? There hasn't been a quick upgrade at 9E since late 2007. Oh are you talking about the privileged career expecting Colgan pilots?

As for bases, Delta bases are already known so it's not like they will pull one in MQT out of thin air. MEM closed, and with the mainline base long gone, it is highly unlikely MEM will come back. ATL has a chance of coming back. Other than that, DTW/JFK/MSP currently exist, which leaves SLC/LAX/SEA/CVG. CVG is out, and SkyWest/ASA are in the west. There aren't many bases that 9E can just open up.



It doesn't matter what Wychor and gang agree or not agree. Delta owns you and will get what it wants. When Delta says jump, 9E will jump. If there's any hint of resistance, a quick shut down threat will keep the rank/file in order.

I just figure if they (9E mgmt) got a guy like you, who is an expert of all things airline, to show up they (DL mgmt) can get other guys to do the same.

 

[Flyer1015]

I just figure if they (9E mgmt) got a guy like you, who is an expert of all things airline, to show up they (DL mgmt) can get other guys to do the same.

Be rational, when I joined 9E was stand-alone and not shrinking. At the time, there was quick movement too. All that is now gone.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Ill put my money on DL being able to get guys to show up. I guess only time will tell.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Ill put my money on DL being able to get guys to show up. I guess only time will tell.

Left Colgan in 07 for Mesaba when Mesaba couldn't fill the classes and they paid a ton more than colgan in every measure. Colgan had more trouble than Mesaba as you would expect, but they got the numbers they needed. Pinnacle won't have trouble filling seats, but we have serious transitional costs from parking 140 200s . Unfortunately for Delta there isn't someone as stupid as pinnacle anymore than will buy a company who is about to park 40 Saab's never mind 140 rjs. As of this moment it would be tough to imagine pinnacle making it long enough to need employees for meaningful new hire classes. Good news, lots of guys moving on, I think we will be parking the 200s a little earlier than the last update

 

[Flyer1015]

Ill put my money on DL being able to get guys to show up. I guess only time will tell.

Do you have some secret supply source of 1500 hr ATP pilots? The only way Delta will get someone to come to 9E is a Delta number. Otherwise who wants to come to and stagnate their career at a shrinking regional with a 7 year concessionary contract?

 

[mesaba13]

Filling seats is not just a problem at Pinnacle. Every other regional will be seeing the same attrition has 9E.