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[jynxyjericho]

I would have to agree with Flyer (just this one time!) Ask anyone who has true knowledge of the pipeline of new applicants for ATP's or for that matter private, instrument, or commercial rides. They will tell you that the numbers of applicants are a mere fraction of what it was even a few years ago. There will be hardly any movement at pinnacle-what there is will be if there just happens to be more captains leaving than there is CRJ 200's being returned to Bombardier. Even then it will be a very slow movement. I would think anyone would rather go to Compass, Republic, Eagle, and of course Skywest. Delta will have to sweeten the pot in order to keep Pinnacles portion of their domestic feed viable. The bridge agreement (and interview with Delta-not a flow as some Delta pilots seem to think) will be nothing but a back up plan for most pilots. Most will leave ASAP for even non majors just to be at a better place. Even if Delta would offer a real flow-I will be the loudest reminding everyone about 800 pilots were already promised a flow with Delta but it was canceled.

Don't get locked into the straw man of flyer. Regional industry is going to change a lot, Pinnacle will change with it. The problem people have is the expect things will stay static, it won't. The only constant is change.

 

[gojo]

Don't get locked into the straw man of flyer. Regional industry is going to change a lot, Pinnacle will change with it. The problem people have is the expect things will stay static, it won't. The only constant is change.

Also, don't listen to blanket statements like nobody will go to Pinnacle. One thing I've learned is never say never or always. There are always exceptions.

 

[i fly boxes]

I have heard rumblings that delta will interview a bunch of our guys up front, and if selected you would be placed in a pool for classes down the road. Something like 500 per year interviewed or something like that. Has anyone heard this? Remember its a Minimum of 12 interviews each month, not a max. They could interview 60 per month if they wanted too. It may be a way for delta to see who wants to take part and get them to stay at pinnacle as well.

 

[xjhawk]

I have heard interviewing all 2300 pilots by the end of the year to form that pool. -this could be so they can say no to most and take their most highly sought after sons, daughters, nieces and nephews who have 2500 hours and no PIC-"but have the highest amount of potential to look good in a Delta Hat and double breasted coat"

I have also heard that Delta HR is already poking around all the pilot records

I have also heard that the first 500 would be given numbers at Delta but locked into their seat (most likely the 900) so there is a manageable training schedule at Pinnacle and the regional feed would not be interrupted- to me this is unlikely

But who really knows what Delta will do.

 

[Clutch]

Yeah delta (the company with the most applications on file) is lurking through Pinnacle pilots' records to determine who they will hire next

 

[mesaba13]

I am not so sure they want to say no to most right now because of the amount of additional attrition this would cause. I think they want to be able to say yes to as many as they can in order to keep 9E staffed. However, they do want to be able to say no the knuckleheads that have busted every possible check-ride and/or have negative things in their personal file. Just think about the picture of a candidate you can paint by looking at a 10 year HR file. Sick calls, disciplinary actions, check-ride failures, training issues. (PRIA is only 5 years) What better screening can you think of than having full access to all of this information? Any other screening tool, testing, etc is just a guess.

“Past behavior is the best predictor of future performance”. Lou Adler, business recruiter and author of “The One Question Interview”

 

[jynxyjericho]

Yeah delta (the company with the most applications on file) is lurking through Pinnacle pilots' records to determine who they will hire next

Oh they're probably just seeing if they can feed them through some computer to pull useful information. Highlight the check airmen and... some other notable crewmembers (hehe) and get them in the front of the line. Us mere mortals will be passed over.

 

[i fly boxes]

Not everyone will participate in this, there are people at the top that wont do it so they could get farther down faster than we think. I wish the company and or union would put out something saying how its going to go

 

[jynxyjericho]

Not everyone will participate in this, there are people at the top that wont do it so they could get farther down faster than we think. I wish the company and or union would put out something saying how its going to go

No one knows exactly yet, very fuzzy math we are dealing with .

 

[filejw]

I have heard interviewing all 2300 pilots by the end of the year to form that pool. -this could be so they can say no to most and take their most highly sought after sons, daughters, nieces and nephews who have 2500 hours and no PIC-"but have the highest amount of potential to look good in a Delta Hat and double breasted coat"

I have also heard that Delta HR is already poking around all the pilot records

I have also heard that the first 500 would be given numbers at Delta but locked into their seat (most likely the 900) so there is a manageable training schedule at Pinnacle and the regional feed would not be interrupted- to me this is unlikely

But who really knows what Delta will do.

Poking around, I would be more surprised if they didn't but interviewing 2300 pilots in 7 months? They don't have the capability and everthing else is just somebody guessing. FYI the people they hire usually have a little something extra on their r?sum? ,volunteer work , Masters in something ,check pilot and Military helps..

 

[higney85]

Guys, don't spool up over rumors. If you just work for the job you "want" vs. the job you have it will all work out. Network, don't play games, fly safe, and keep up to date with the changes in the FAR's and your latest books.

That would apply to "SSP" or the many jobs it seems that everyone has applied for. Getting spooled up serves no positive action. Put your career on the front burner and work towards it. The industry is changing, adapt and work for what you want in the long term. I'm not playing "dad" (I dont evenhave one in the oven myself), but am simply pointing out the facts and common misconceptions.

Keep the eye of YOUR prize. Everyone's goal is actually different. That being said, I did buy some lotto tickets.

 

[Flyer1015]

As has been said by me before the place won't make it long enough to need to hire because training will cost too much and this place will shut down for cost overruns due to previous management incompetence. The only way we would ever have to worry about pesky hiring problem is if things changed drastically. That would have to mean more airplanes or something like a b scale or something crazy. If something like that happens your variables change. I can't predict what an FO will find attractive with the change but you found a reason to go to pinnacle and stay, I'm sure we will find someone just like you all over again. Besides in the unlikely event we do need to hire it will be far enough in the future that the landscape will be very different.

Again, this is all mental masturbation. What an FO reasons out in his head as the best move for him or her doesn't matter to me, and I can't predict it. You create a nice allegory but your argument above precludes people from going to colgan, big sky, gulf stream, great mistakes, go jets, pinnacle, when Mesaba and Sky west couldn't hire fast enough, but it all worked out. No one shut down for lack of pilots, the requirements are higher now? You are ignorant to history if you think that matters enough to shut down an airline.

We will see though.

Colgan, Big Sky, Gulfstream, Great Lakes, Go Jets have (had) one thing in common: crappy pay and reputation but a very fast track to the left seat. That is why pilots showed up at those places. It wasn't the bases (most were outstation bases that would come and go) nor the pay/QOL. Pinnacle was in that boat too, but the fast movement stopped beginning of 2008. You are right that the industry will change but what is known is the future of 9E so far. What are the grounds that people pick a regional on? Pay/QOL. Bases. Movement/Upgrade. Fleet growth. What else? In all those departments, 9E is now far behind. Pay/QOL cut for 7 years with a concessionary contract, bases of MSP/JFK/DTW but so do other DCI carriers like Compass. Movement/Upgrade and fleet growth? -140 CRJ-200s.

Can you name one reason why any ATP-qualified pilot would choose 9E over other regionals left today like Republic (5k bonus and 53 new E170s for AA) or SkyWest/ASA/XJT?

 

[Flyer1015]

I am not so sure they want to say no to most right now because of the amount of additional attrition this would cause. I think they want to be able to say yes to as many as they can in order to keep 9E staffed. However, they do want to be able to say no the knuckleheads that have busted every possible check-ride and/or have negative things in their personal file. Just think about the picture of a candidate you can paint by looking at a 10 year HR file. Sick calls, disciplinary actions, check-ride failures, training issues. (PRIA is only 5 years) What better screening can you think of than having full access to all of this information? Any other screening tool, testing, etc is just a guess.

?Past behavior is the best predictor of future performance?. Lou Adler, business recruiter and author of ?The One Question Interview?

Delta does have access to HR records to see sick/fatigue calls and missed trips? That's gonna eliminate a lot of people if that's the case.

 

[xjhawk]

Yeah delta (the company with the most applications on file) is lurking through Pinnacle pilots' records to determine who they will hire next

Delta is the one who specifically put that in the "Bridge Agreement" so yes, they are or will be poking around our HR files.

I have heard the same thing about Delta wanting something extra in the application. But if they want me to go volunteer my time when I already served 14 years in the Army and am a single dad spending as much time with my toddlers as possible they are idiots. I have 11 days off a month and I have my kids on average 14 or 15 days a month. I will not be serving food at the local soup kitchen when I could be spending time being a dad to my kids. My military time should be enough. Maybe I will start a charitable organization called I am a dad and spend time with my kids and put it on my application. When they are older and understand what volunteer work is I will teach them that lesson, but until that time-I will take them to the park.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Colgan, Big Sky, Gulfstream, Great Lakes, Go Jets have (had) one thing in common: crappy pay and reputation but a very fast track to the left seat. That is why pilots showed up at those places. It wasn't the bases (most were outstation bases that would come and go) nor the pay/QOL. Pinnacle was in that boat too, but the fast movement stopped beginning of 2008. You are right that the industry will change but what is known is the future of 9E so far. What are the grounds that people pick a regional on? Pay/QOL. Bases. Movement/Upgrade. Fleet growth. What else? In all those departments, 9E is now far behind. Pay/QOL cut for 7 years with a concessionary contract, bases of MSP/JFK/DTW but so do other DCI carriers like Compass. Movement/Upgrade and fleet growth? -140 CRJ-200s.

Can you name one reason why any ATP-qualified pilot would choose 9E over other regionals left today like Republic (5k bonus and 53 new E170s for AA) or SkyWest/ASA/XJT?

I get tired of talking to a brick wall, but in answer to your question an airline only looking to furlough has no reason to seem attractive to a new hire. How many ways do I have to keep rephrasing the same point? When times change so will the face of this business, so to speak. I don't think they will need to.

 

[Clutch]

Sounds like the decision to sell out might pay off.. Kudos turds

 

[gojo]

I get tired of talking to a brick wall, but in answer to your question an airline only looking to furlough has no reason to seem attractive to a new hire. How many ways do I have to keep rephrasing the same point? When times change so will the face of this business, so to speak. I don't think they will need to.

That's the point I'm trying to make also. Only a couple of regionals are close to what they were 5 years ago. Times are changing for us all, and the good regionals of today will not be the same a few years from now. Comair and Mesaba are two extreme examples. Some might make feel like they made a good choice at the time, but in hindsight realize it was not. I see all regionals shrinking over time except for maybe compass.

 

[Flyer1015]

So you are in agreement. There is no way 9E will get newhires to come given the predicament currently in.

 

[gojo]

So you are in agreement. There is no way 9E will get newhires to come given the predicament currently in.

How did you hear that????

 

[1.3XVso]

I am not so sure they want to say no to most right now because of the amount of additional attrition this would cause. I think they want to be able to say yes to as many as they can in order to keep 9E staffed. However, they do want to be able to say no the knuckleheads that have busted every possible check-ride and/or have negative things in their personal file. Just think about the picture of a candidate you can paint by looking at a 10 year HR file. Sick calls, disciplinary actions, check-ride failures, training issues. (PRIA is only 5 years) What better screening can you think of than having full access to all of this information? Any other screening tool, testing, etc is just a guess.

?Past behavior is the best predictor of future performance?. Lou Adler, business recruiter and author of ?The One Question Interview?

we have the worst sick policy in the industry! why would delta give a ******************** about sick calls? you guys are really delirious !