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[gojo]

Nope, all I can say is best of luck and hope things get better, or that the good guys get out soon to greener pastures.

Weird, I'm glad I was sitting down when I read that one

 

[i fly boxes]

Boy things got real quiet here after chapter 11 exit, anything new going on?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Paychecks are a lot smaller?

 

[v1valarob]

Boy things got real quiet here after chapter 11 exit, anything new going on?

We have jumpseat priority on delta flights, and they have priority on us. Should be a big bullet point at recruiting event.

 

[Flyer1015]

We have jumpseat priority on delta flights, and they have priority on us. Should be a big bullet point at recruiting event.

What bullet point would that be? "We're parking 140 airplanes, with near industry bottom RJ wages, but you can now get high jumpseat priority over other DCI carriers!"

Still doesn't sound appealing. You'd be crazy to consider 9E for employment today when other regionals with better futures/more aircraft growth are hiring with bonsues.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

What bullet point would that be? "We're parking 140 airplanes, with near industry bottom RJ wages, but you can now get high jumpseat priority over other DCI carriers!"

Still doesn't sound appealing. You'd be crazy to consider 9E for employment today when other regionals with better futures/more aircraft growth are hiring with bonsues.

I'm confident DL will do what it needs to do to get new hires to show up for class. Not sure what but they have all of the power to sweeten the pot enough to make 9E an attractive place.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm confident DL will do what it needs to do to get new hires to show up for class. Not sure what but they have all of the power to sweeten the pot enough to make 9E an attractive place.

Like you said, what can they do? It's already a 7 year concessionary contract. So short of a guaranteed job at Delta, what makes 9E attractive to newhires? Losing 140 planes with pay lower than other better regionals doesn't look good for 9E.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Like you said, what can they do? It's already a 7 year concessionary contract. So short of a guaranteed job at Delta, what makes 9E attractive to newhires? Losing 140 planes with pay lower than other better regionals doesn't look good for 9E.

Their pilots got a new contract before the amenable date, they could do the same thing here.

There could be a staple.

There could be signing bonuses.

There could be the promise or a quick upgrade or new bases.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Their pilots got a new contract before the amenable date, they could do the same thing here.

There could be a staple.

There could be signing bonuses.

There could be the promise or a quick upgrade or new bases.

And monkeys could fly out of Richard Anderson's, well you know what I mean...

 

[Ridgeback]

Their pilots got a new contract before the amenable date, they could do the same thing here.

There could be a staple. NO

There could be signing bonuses. Union has never and will nerver agree

There could be the promise or a quick upgrade or new bases.

No new "net" aircraft no "quick upgrades" Great I get a NYC base on 20K a year

 

[jynxyjericho]

They are keeping expectations realistic. Obviously they want to see if owning a cheap regional would be worth it in the long run, but with so much training costs and the fact Pinnacle didn't go as low as they wanted (GoJets) we won't be around a whole lot longer. The only way to mitigate some of the costs is to get more airplanes and that means more damn RJ's total in DCI or we take them from other DCI carriers. Either sucks.

Regionals are dying and collapsing under their own weight. In 3-5 years there won't be but 3 regionals left and Pinnacle won't be one of them. Phildo the Dildo made that future for us.

 

[xjhawk]

There are still people scared that Delta will sell us off. Those rumors to me lack any care as our only asset is the number of pilots we have and everyone knows people are leaving as fast as they can. The only thing that will keep me from leaving as soon as I can will be a staple-not a flow as I have already had one of those and they are not worth a crap. I will also not be waiting around for 1000 pilots to get hired at Delta or somewhere else before I am granted an "interview" with Delta.

 

[Flyer1015]

Their pilots got a new contract before the amenable date, they could do the same thing here.

That's quite doubtful. They made it 7 years for a reason. It's very unlikely that they will get a new contract before the amendable. And if past history is any lesson, remember the time period from May '05 to Feb '11?

There could be a staple.

No way. Delta didn't even give 9E a flow like they did Compass. If Delta wanted to staple Pinnacle, it would have happened instead of the SSP.

There could be signing bonuses.

First, that would be a real slap in the face considering concessions were voted in. Second, just how much? 5k? The competition is already offering 5k, and they are getting 53 new E170s for American. Who's gonna come to 9E for the bonus when the fleet is shrinking?

There could be the promise or a quick upgrade or new bases.

Did you seriously just say "quick upgrade"? There hasn't been a quick upgrade at 9E since late 2007. Oh are you talking about the privileged career expecting Colgan pilots?

As for bases, Delta bases are already known so it's not like they will pull one in MQT out of thin air. MEM closed, and with the mainline base long gone, it is highly unlikely MEM will come back. ATL has a chance of coming back. Other than that, DTW/JFK/MSP currently exist, which leaves SLC/LAX/SEA/CVG. CVG is out, and SkyWest/ASA are in the west. There aren't many bases that 9E can just open up.

There could be signing bonuses. Union has never and will nerver agree

It doesn't matter what Wychor and gang agree or not agree. Delta owns you and will get what it wants. When Delta says jump, 9E will jump. If there's any hint of resistance, a quick shut down threat will keep the rank/file in order.

 

[Flyer1015]

There are still people scared that Delta will sell us off. Those rumors to me lack any care as our only asset is the number of pilots we have and everyone knows people are leaving as fast as they can. The only thing that will keep me from leaving as soon as I can will be a staple-not a flow as I have already had one of those and they are not worth a crap. I will also not be waiting around for 1000 pilots to get hired at Delta or somewhere else before I am granted an "interview" with Delta.

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Now this is a smart person. Well stated!

 

[Carl_Spackler]

That's quite doubtful. They made it 7 years for a reason. It's very unlikely that they will get a new contract before the amendable. And if past history is any lesson, remember the time period from May '05 to Feb '11?


No way. Delta didn't even give 9E a flow like they did Compass. If Delta wanted to staple Pinnacle, it would have happened instead of the SSP.


First, that would be a real slap in the face considering concessions were voted in. Second, just how much? 5k? The competition is already offering 5k, and they are getting 53 new E170s for American. Who's gonna come to 9E for the bonus when the fleet is shrinking?


Did you seriously just say "quick upgrade"? There hasn't been a quick upgrade at 9E since late 2007. Oh are you talking about the privileged career expecting Colgan pilots?

As for bases, Delta bases are already known so it's not like they will pull one in MQT out of thin air. MEM closed, and with the mainline base long gone, it is highly unlikely MEM will come back. ATL has a chance of coming back. Other than that, DTW/JFK/MSP currently exist, which leaves SLC/LAX/SEA/CVG. CVG is out, and SkyWest/ASA are in the west. There aren't many bases that 9E can just open up.



It doesn't matter what Wychor and gang agree or not agree. Delta owns you and will get what it wants. When Delta says jump, 9E will jump. If there's any hint of resistance, a quick shut down threat will keep the rank/file in order.

I just figure if they (9E mgmt) got a guy like you, who is an expert of all things airline, to show up they (DL mgmt) can get other guys to do the same.