Southwest changing it's "stance" in ATL. HMMMMMM

[Scoot 11]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway

And "maybe" one day you might get a girlfriend, and stop hanging around the YMCA men's room showers on your time off.
Either way, this bantering back and forth gets old!
One thing that "did" happen. You did "buy your job though!":smash:

 

[General Lee]

Not even closed to packed on ATL-MCI Gen.

Take a look, starting even next week until the end of May (after Memorial Day).

Most all of those flight are really pretty empty, but you keep running those empty planes General. Some have 90-110 EMPTY seats.

I'm not a 'my airline is better than your's' what-so-ever. Just have to refute some of the BS the General tries to throw out there. Just slinging poo as usual.

Delta is a fine airline with good management team. SW is good. We'll both be fine, I guarantee!

RF

So wait, most of your flights are 90-110 seats empty? Wow. I can now see why you need to restucture your ATL "hub."

I never said your airline or any other was in danger of anything, just commenting on the article. Then you threw out an incorrect statement about DL's profit, and then again failed to see that if the last few years DL had multi billion dollar profits without a Q1 profit, and then this one has one, which might be a VERY good thing. It's just great that both have "good" management teams.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

So wait, most of your flights are 90-110 seats empty? Wow. I can now see why you need to restucture your ATL "hub."

I never said your airline or any other was in danger of anything, just commenting on the article. Then you threw out an incorrect statement about DL's profit, and then again failed to see that if the last few years DL had multi billion dollar profits without a Q1 profit, and then this one has one, which might be a VERY good thing. It's just great that both have "good" management teams.


Bye Bye---General Lee

YOUR flights General. Delta is empty to MCI. I think you might need some simple reading skills.

Need me to post the side by side numbers to shut you up?

You said Delta would be full. News flash. They aren't, not even close. But keep running those 7 empty flights. Maybe RA will need to replace those MD's and 757's with the large RJs that are coming. Haha.

 

[General Lee]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway

I say "maybe" or "might" because I am not a CEO. Speaking of "selling out", Scoot is right about paying for your training. Management really appreciated that, even though they could have easily afforded it. Heck, the AT 717 guys are gonna get free types on the 737, right? Amazing. And this last contract brought the domestic percentage for mainline flying UP, especially after taking your 88 717s and dumping 140 total RJs. That's improvement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

YOUR flights General. Delta is empty to MCI. I think you might need some simple reading skills.

Need me to post the side by side numbers to shut you up?

You said Delta would be full. News flash. They aren't, not even close. But keep running those 7 empty flights. Maybe RA will need to replace those MD's and 757's with the large RJs that are coming. Haha.

You mean they are all empty right now, or in 3 weeks? DL seems to have 2 to 3 times your net profit easily, so I wouldn't be comparing. I have a feeling they will all be full this Summer, and fees help them be very profitable.

Btw, did you watch CNBC about noon today? There was a group of analysts talking about Airlines and the sequester stuff, and that guy Njaraian (bald guy with a mustashe) stated how he thought RA was a "genius" due to the refinery deal, saying that DL has "oil people" running it, and that at $90 a barrel (long term price that many analysts think oil will stay at) DL should be printing money, primarily because DL "got rid of the middleman." I immediately thought of you, Red "J.R. Ewing" Flyer. Have a great one!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

You mean they are all empty right now, or in 3 weeks? DL seems to have 2 to 3 times your net profit easily, so I wouldn't be comparing. I have a feeling they will all be full this Summer, and fees help them be very profitable.

Btw, did you watch CNBC about noon today? There was a group of analysts talking about Airlines and the sequester stuff, and that guy Njaraian (bald guy with a mustashe) stated how he thought RA was a "genius" due to the refinery deal, saying that DL has "oil people" running it, and that at $90 a barrel (long term price that many analysts think oil will stay at) DL should be printing money, primarily because DL "got rid of the middleman." I immediately thought of you, Red "J.R. Ewing" Flyer. Have a great one!



Bye Bye---General Lee

One to five weeks out Gen, empty.

CNBC? About your refinery? Good luck with that General. Why are you even bringing that up? I said RA is a very good CEO. He knows how to play DALPA like a fine violin.

You really are psychotic with some of this BS. Who cares?

You can argue with yourself. I'm just glad others see how strange these things you throw out there to prove some bizzare point.

Cheers.

 

[redflyer65]

I say "maybe" or "might" because I am not a CEO. Speaking of "selling out", Scoot is right about paying for your training. Management really appreciated that, even though they could have easily afforded it. Heck, the AT 717 guys are gonna get free types on the 737, right? Amazing. And this last contract brought the domestic percentage for mainline flying UP, especially after taking your 88 717s and dumping 140 total RJs. That's improvement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Get back to us when you have ZERO RJs and 40 straight years of profits. I know that hurts Gen, but facts are facts.

As I said above, I'm done arguing with your psychosis.

 

[General Lee]

One to five weeks out Gen, empty.

CNBC? About your refinery? Good luck with that General. Why are you even bringing that up? I said RA is a very good CEO. He knows how to play DALPA like a fine violin.

You really are psychotic with some of this BS. Who cares?

You can argue with yourself. I'm just glad others see how strange these things you throw out there to prove some bizzare point.

Cheers.

Talk about CLASSIC. Yes, YOU know more about companies and oil than analysts that look at this stuff every day....... And one walk up business class fare in First Class on the MD90 costs more than 20 of your seats. Business people don't always book 3 weeks in advance. You know that... It's a different type of product, one that costs more.

Not psychotic, it just reminded me of YOUR rants. Look, smarter people than you and me are running this stuff. RA and GK are probably geniuses. I didn't slam GK, I just stated what an analyst stated on a specific show. He gave sound reasoning about why he liked DL and RA. The other analysts seemed to agree in the end. That is a good thing. I just brought up the topic because it reminded me of things my "buddy" Red said...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Get back to us when you have ZERO RJs and 40 straight years of profits. I know that hurts Gen, but facts are facts.

As I said above, I'm done arguing with your psychosis.

Wait, you just gave up RJs of a sort---88 717s that were flying to smaller cities (like Bloomington, Charlie West, Tunica, etc). Those are now going to DL, and they will take over those routes, and do well. Also, as this ATL article states, you are NOT a hub and spoke anymore in ATL, you are now switching it around to point to point, right? Well, DL is a hub and spoke airline, with some feed to smaller cities that can't support anything but a 50 seater (like Valdosta). Cities like that need a small RJ or a prop, and those planes fly to ATL and do feed DL 767s to LAX. A 717 would NEVER fill up at Valdosta. You can say all of our flights should be done with mainline, but your airline does do some INTL flights with Volaris. (not as many as DL does with SkyTeam etc, but some none the less) So, not all of your flights are done with your crews, so you do the same thing, at a smaller scale.

I know you said you have had 40 straight years of profits, and that is impressive. But, you have had some close quarters recently, and that was because your hedging was bad, or whatever. There will be some ups and downs, and the 3 legacies are now in an upswing due to consolidation and fees. Even your airline merged, (how well, it remains to be seen) and that will help us all. But, the 3 legacies are going to expand a lot, and will become revenue generators. That means a good chance for solid profits for years, and that is good.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

It's Max, the AT guy trying to be the first AT Chief Pilot at SWA.

Nah, that won't happen. The SWAPA contract requires you to be a SWA captain for a few years before you can be a CP. And thanks to Max's seniority integration, he won't be a captain for a long, long time.

It looks like you have gotten over the SLI, and that is impressive.

That's because he helped to craft it. He was on our MC, General.

 

[General Lee]

Nah, that won't happen. The SWAPA contract requires you to be a SWA captain for a few years before you can be a CP. And thanks to Max's seniority integration, he won't be a captain for a long, long time.



That's because he helped to craft it. He was on our MC, General.

Ahhhh, that explains a lot. Anyway, whenever DL starts hiring off the street, if you want something different, I hope you apply. With the amount of eventual retirements coming, you might beat Max to the left seat while at DL. Take care.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SKC]

Originally Posted by General Lee
Really? DL has 7 flights a day, 2 of which are 757s, and they could upguage to more 757s if needed. You guys currently have 18 738s to try to upguage if needed, system wide. DL flights will be packed, but if locals in ATL need more seats, plenty of bigger planes are ready. Face it, your other strategy wasn't working, so as the article states, you are making big changes. DL just adds more flights and bigger planes if needed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Not that it matters as the majority of the argument is false anyway, but SWA currently has 42 -800s in service. Just a few more than 18.

 

[waveflyer]

And "maybe" one day you might get a girlfriend, and stop hanging around the YMCA men's room showers on your time off.
Either way, this bantering back and forth gets old!
One thing that "did" happen. You did "buy your job though!":smash:

:smash:

Scooter,
Stop defending the indefensible - I said I'd be digging into you if you guys at dalpa reloaded the whipsaw regional market-
Just keeping a promise-

Apparently, you don't have the ability to ignore me, so I must be hitting a nerve.

That's good.

Better than listening to GL armchair CEO his way through his qualified opinions

 

[DairyAir]

Couldn't resist

Delta ATL-MCI today First class $465

Southwest ATL-MCI Business Select $348

20 times more?

 

[waveflyer]

I say "maybe" or "might" because I am not a CEO. Speaking of "selling out", Scoot is right about paying for your training. Management really appreciated that, even though they could have easily afforded it. Heck, the AT 717 guys are gonna get free types on the 737, right? Amazing. And this last contract brought the domestic percentage for mainline flying UP, especially after taking your 88 717s and dumping 140 total RJs. That's improvement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Keep f^cking that chicken GenLee
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ANRMvcQmhF0ypk-dJN226fw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.cGE

 

[General Lee]

Couldn't resist

Delta ATL-MCI today First class $465

Southwest ATL-MCI Business Select $348

20 times more?

Is that the walk up fare? Btw, RED was wrong about 90-100 open seats on all flights tomorrow from ATL to MCI. Most have about 25-30 seats open, and the last 757 has a minus number in the back. Those bag fees probably help too. Gotta make money to make big profits.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[maxblast72]

It's Max, the AT guy trying to be the first AT Chief Pilot at SWA. You are one of the only "giddy" AT pilots, on this board anyway. It looks like you have gotten over the SLI, and that is impressive. Let's hope the rest do within the next decade.

I am not happy with the SLI. My unhappiness is with our former MEC and how they withheld information from our pilot group. That is why 120 AirTran pilots have filed a DFR lawsuit against our former MEC/ALPA.

At the end of the day regardless of which SIA package was voted in by both sides, the only thing that will help both Southwest and AirTran pilots is hitting Gary's 15% ROIC target and resuming fleet/blockhour growth at Southwest.

I understand you would like Southwest to be a weaker competitior for Delta so you continually come on here and try to stir the pot.

And if profits continue to be twice or three times yours each year, the pension obligations may be taken care of. You know that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Delta's annual revenue is over twice Southwest's so I would hope your net profit is twice Southwest's. Also, Southwest has $3 billion in long term debt and zero obligation to their retired employees while Delta has $10 billion in long term debt and a $24 billion obligations to their retired employees (with $8 billion in the bank to pay for those obligations).

Unfortunately for Delta, that underfunding is growing at the rate of $2 billion per year. I am a pilot and not an accountant, but that doesn't seem like a good trend. It will be interesting to see how the balance sheet looks in 5 years at Delta.

 

[DairyAir]

Walk up fare for today

LGA-ORD 12:15pm DL5943
First class three free checked bags

$403..........and it's an rj

What business traveler walks up and buys a ticket? Hello? Isn't there an app for that?

 

[canyonblue]

Ahhhh, that explains a lot. Anyway, whenever DL starts hiring off the street, if you want something different, I hope you apply. With the amount of eventual retirements coming, you might beat Max to the left seat while at DL. Take care.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Did you guys drop the College Degree requirement? If not, he won't beat Max to anything.

 

[slaquer5]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PCL_128
Nah, that won't happen. The SWAPA contract requires you to be a SWA captain for a few years before you can be a CP. And thanks to Max's seniority integration, he won't be a captain for a long, long time.



That's because he helped to craft it. He was on our MC, General.


__________________

Ahhhh, that explains a lot. Anyway, whenever DL starts hiring off the street, if you want something different, I hope you apply. With the amount of eventual retirements coming, you might beat Max to the left seat while at DL. Take care.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Dude,

Do you ever work for DAL?

I am willing to bet a C note your not a pilot for DAL

 

[General Lee]

Dude,

Do you ever work for DAL?

I am willing to bet a C note your not a pilot for DAL

Then I just won a C note. Thanks. I do work a lot, but my smart phone allows me to check in and enjoy FI anywhere, even in Europe. I still go out and enjoy the layovers, but even from my room I can see the fun everyone is having on here. It's not magic. Tell you what, forget the C note to me and go get yourself a smart phone. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Walk up fare for today

LGA-ORD 12:15pm DL5943
First class three free checked bags

$403..........and it's an rj

What business traveler walks up and buys a ticket? Hello? Isn't there an app for that?

Soon they will be ex-AirTran 717s, not RJs. Thanks!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

Then I just won a C note. Thanks. I do work a lot, but my smart phone allows me to check in and enjoy FI anywhere, even in Europe. I still go out and enjoy the layovers, but even from my room I can see the fun everyone is having on here. It's not magic. Tell you what, forget the C note to me and go get yourself a smart phone. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

There's no way any pilot actually talks like this, is there? Either a poser or a screwball.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I am not happy with the SLI. My unhappiness is with our former MEC and how they withheld information from our pilot group. That is why 120 AirTran pilots have filed a DFR lawsuit against our former MEC/ALPA.
.

Wow, 7% of the FL pilots have filed suit. Does that carry a lot of weight with you?

Almost twice the number of pilots voted against this horrible deal. Why aren't there 1400 pilots a part of that suit?

 

[Scoot 11]

:smash:

Scooter,
Stop defending the indefensible - I said I'd be digging into you if you guys at dalpa reloaded the whipsaw regional market-
Just keeping a promise-

Apparently, you don't have the ability to ignore me, so I must be hitting a nerve.

That's good.

Better than listening to GL armchair CEO his way through his qualified opinions

Wavey:
I'm not defending anything. I'm simply pointing out that you did IN FACT pay for your job.
Apparently it hit a nerve.
It's not that I can't ignore you, you're just like that itch that flares up after a night with your sister. Unfortunately I just can't get rid of it.

 

[Phlintstone]

Hey General,

I'm out with my family eating at a Carrabba's and there is a dorky Delta pilot sitting at the bar in uniform. Is that you?

Phred

 

[redflyer65]

Is that the walk up fare? Btw, RED was wrong about 90-100 open seats on all flights tomorrow from ATL to MCI. Most have about 25-30 seats open, and the last 757 has a minus number in the back. Those bag fees probably help too. Gotta make money to make big profits.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I never said anything about tomorrow's loads General. I said the loads are weak from now past Memorial Day.

Here's your average load for all of next week (7 days).....70%. I wouldn't call that very good in todays environment. So no, I wasn't wrong on the flights NOT being full. They aren't, but thanks for trying to spin this into another DL vs. SW thread, I could care less.

Idiotic....as usual.

Max,

Pension obiligations in the Billions....with a B? That's huge.

RF

 

[Flyer1015]

Then why the hell buy AirTran. What an epic failure. AirTran's biggest strength was its ATL fortress, that competed well with Delta. SWA comes in swoops up AirTran with 717s and 737s. It's pretty obvious that SWA was not going to operate the 717 (or anything other than a 737) so that was a waste. Result? All leased out to Delta. Goodbye jobs. Next, the AirTran ATL hub. Result? Reduced now to just a SWA focus city. Goodbye more jobs and ATL hub status. So the net result of this merger was a handful of AirTran 737s and slots at various airports through the country. What a stupid non-beneficial merger (if you can even call it a merger).

 

[PCL_128]

What a stupid non-beneficial merger (if you can even call it a merger).

Careful, the cheerleaders will string you up for daring to suggest that Gary doesn't walk on water!

 

[General Lee]

Hey General,

I'm out with my family eating at a Carrabba's and there is a dorky Delta pilot sitting at the bar in uniform. Is that you?

Phred

Nah, I ate dinner next to the REAL Eiffel Tower, you know, not in Las Vegas. Maybe someday you'll go there and crap your pants with excitement. You'll be saying "this ain't Lubbock or Midland, and the people's, them people's speak weird......hey Mama (your wife), what's they sayin?"


Bye Bye----General Lee