Southwest changing it's "stance" in ATL. HMMMMMM

[maxblast72]

If SWA wants to retool the ATL operation and have 3 flights at day to MCI at 0800, 1200, and 1700, that's great. DL has 7 mainline flights, 5 MD90s and 2 757s btw....


Bye Bye---General Lee

SWA will run 3 flights a day and fill up those flights with O&D traffic (for 2012, 70% of SWA passengers did not connect). Delta will fly 7 flights but probably have 70% of their passengers connect in ATL.

General, which type of passenger provides a higher yield, an O&D pax or a connecting pax?

 

[maxblast72]

It's been a rough year, and the "rough" merger SLI hasn't helped with the "LUV" Spirit.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Rough year? 2012 Net profit $420 million (without merger revenue synergies). Wall Street predicting $700-800 million net profit for 2013 (and we see they underpredicted Q1 numbers). Very little debt coming due over next 2 years. $500 million free cash flow for Q1. $3.2 billion in bank.

Keep looking for a way to pay for that underfunded pension obligation General.

 

[fam62c]

Nothing unusual here, SW is just doing in ATL what they do in all of their other core cities. SW doesn't operate their network like DAL and AT, it is different. SW doesn't operate in large banks at certain times, they spread capacity out over the day. The number of flights may be less than what AT had at it's peak but with all 737's the number of seats is probably comparable. It seems to me that SW has done pretty well over the years with their model.

 

[Dan Roman]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the "my airline is better than your airline line?" We're all pawns to the guys in the suits. Well paid and important pawns, but pawns none the less. We don't pick what cities we fly to, what equipment our airline flys, what procedures they use, what time the schedule is, etc.

If you need to compete, there are plenty of adult sports leagues around.

Well said!

 

[Scoot 11]

Pardon me for jumping on yet another SW vs. DL bash thread.
Can some of you **************************************** please get a hobby! Jeez, I'm tired of this. General. Stop embarrassing the DL pilot group, PLEASE?

 

[General Lee]

SWA will run 3 flights a day and fill up those flights with O&D traffic (for 2012, 70% of SWA passengers did not connect). Delta will fly 7 flights but probably have 70% of their passengers connect in ATL.

General, which type of passenger provides a higher yield, an O&D pax or a connecting pax?

Really? DL has 7 flights a day, 2 of which are 757s, and they could upguage to more 757s if needed. You guys currently have 18 738s to try to upguage if needed, system wide. DL flights will be packed, but if locals in ATL need more seats, plenty of bigger planes are ready. Face it, your other strategy wasn't working, so as the article states, you are making big changes. DL just adds more flights and bigger planes if needed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Pardon me for jumping on yet another SW vs. DL bash thread.
Can some of you **************************************** please get a hobby! Jeez, I'm tired of this. General. Stop embarrassing the DL pilot group, PLEASE?

Welcome to FI Scoot. If you can't handle a little ribbing, then leave. I speak for me, and not for you, or any group. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Rough year? 2012 Net profit $420 million (without merger revenue synergies). Wall Street predicting $700-800 million net profit for 2013 (and we see they underpredicted Q1 numbers). Very little debt coming due over next 2 years. $500 million free cash flow for Q1. $3.2 billion in bank.

Keep looking for a way to pay for that underfunded pension obligation General.

It's Max, the AT guy trying to be the first AT Chief Pilot at SWA. You are one of the only "giddy" AT pilots, on this board anyway. It looks like you have gotten over the SLI, and that is impressive. Let's hope the rest do within the next decade.

And if profits continue to be twice or three times yours each year, the pension obligations may be taken care of. You know that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Really? DL has 7 flights a day, 2 of which are 757s, and they could upguage to more 757s if needed. You guys currently have 18 738s to try to upguage if needed, system wide. DL flights will be packed, but if locals in ATL need more seats, plenty of bigger planes are ready. Face it, your other strategy wasn't working, so as the article states, you are making big changes. DL just adds more flights and bigger planes if needed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Not even closed to packed on ATL-MCI Gen.

Take a look, starting even next week until the end of May (after Memorial Day).

Most all of those flight are really pretty empty, but you keep running those empty planes General. Some have 90-110 EMPTY seats.

I'm not a 'my airline is better than your's' what-so-ever. Just have to refute some of the BS the General tries to throw out there. Just slinging poo as usual.

Delta is a fine airline with good management team. SW is good. We'll both be fine, I guarantee!

RF

 

[waveflyer]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway

 

[Scoot 11]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway

And "maybe" one day you might get a girlfriend, and stop hanging around the YMCA men's room showers on your time off.
Either way, this bantering back and forth gets old!
One thing that "did" happen. You did "buy your job though!":smash:

 

[General Lee]

Not even closed to packed on ATL-MCI Gen.

Take a look, starting even next week until the end of May (after Memorial Day).

Most all of those flight are really pretty empty, but you keep running those empty planes General. Some have 90-110 EMPTY seats.

I'm not a 'my airline is better than your's' what-so-ever. Just have to refute some of the BS the General tries to throw out there. Just slinging poo as usual.

Delta is a fine airline with good management team. SW is good. We'll both be fine, I guarantee!

RF

So wait, most of your flights are 90-110 seats empty? Wow. I can now see why you need to restucture your ATL "hub."

I never said your airline or any other was in danger of anything, just commenting on the article. Then you threw out an incorrect statement about DL's profit, and then again failed to see that if the last few years DL had multi billion dollar profits without a Q1 profit, and then this one has one, which might be a VERY good thing. It's just great that both have "good" management teams.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

So wait, most of your flights are 90-110 seats empty? Wow. I can now see why you need to restucture your ATL "hub."

I never said your airline or any other was in danger of anything, just commenting on the article. Then you threw out an incorrect statement about DL's profit, and then again failed to see that if the last few years DL had multi billion dollar profits without a Q1 profit, and then this one has one, which might be a VERY good thing. It's just great that both have "good" management teams.


Bye Bye---General Lee

YOUR flights General. Delta is empty to MCI. I think you might need some simple reading skills.

Need me to post the side by side numbers to shut you up?

You said Delta would be full. News flash. They aren't, not even close. But keep running those 7 empty flights. Maybe RA will need to replace those MD's and 757's with the large RJs that are coming. Haha.

 

[General Lee]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway

I say "maybe" or "might" because I am not a CEO. Speaking of "selling out", Scoot is right about paying for your training. Management really appreciated that, even though they could have easily afforded it. Heck, the AT 717 guys are gonna get free types on the 737, right? Amazing. And this last contract brought the domestic percentage for mainline flying UP, especially after taking your 88 717s and dumping 140 total RJs. That's improvement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

YOUR flights General. Delta is empty to MCI. I think you might need some simple reading skills.

Need me to post the side by side numbers to shut you up?

You said Delta would be full. News flash. They aren't, not even close. But keep running those 7 empty flights. Maybe RA will need to replace those MD's and 757's with the large RJs that are coming. Haha.

You mean they are all empty right now, or in 3 weeks? DL seems to have 2 to 3 times your net profit easily, so I wouldn't be comparing. I have a feeling they will all be full this Summer, and fees help them be very profitable.

Btw, did you watch CNBC about noon today? There was a group of analysts talking about Airlines and the sequester stuff, and that guy Njaraian (bald guy with a mustashe) stated how he thought RA was a "genius" due to the refinery deal, saying that DL has "oil people" running it, and that at $90 a barrel (long term price that many analysts think oil will stay at) DL should be printing money, primarily because DL "got rid of the middleman." I immediately thought of you, Red "J.R. Ewing" Flyer. Have a great one!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

You mean they are all empty right now, or in 3 weeks? DL seems to have 2 to 3 times your net profit easily, so I wouldn't be comparing. I have a feeling they will all be full this Summer, and fees help them be very profitable.

Btw, did you watch CNBC about noon today? There was a group of analysts talking about Airlines and the sequester stuff, and that guy Njaraian (bald guy with a mustashe) stated how he thought RA was a "genius" due to the refinery deal, saying that DL has "oil people" running it, and that at $90 a barrel (long term price that many analysts think oil will stay at) DL should be printing money, primarily because DL "got rid of the middleman." I immediately thought of you, Red "J.R. Ewing" Flyer. Have a great one!



Bye Bye---General Lee

One to five weeks out Gen, empty.

CNBC? About your refinery? Good luck with that General. Why are you even bringing that up? I said RA is a very good CEO. He knows how to play DALPA like a fine violin.

You really are psychotic with some of this BS. Who cares?

You can argue with yourself. I'm just glad others see how strange these things you throw out there to prove some bizzare point.

Cheers.

 

[redflyer65]

I say "maybe" or "might" because I am not a CEO. Speaking of "selling out", Scoot is right about paying for your training. Management really appreciated that, even though they could have easily afforded it. Heck, the AT 717 guys are gonna get free types on the 737, right? Amazing. And this last contract brought the domestic percentage for mainline flying UP, especially after taking your 88 717s and dumping 140 total RJs. That's improvement.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Get back to us when you have ZERO RJs and 40 straight years of profits. I know that hurts Gen, but facts are facts.

As I said above, I'm done arguing with your psychosis.

 

[General Lee]

One to five weeks out Gen, empty.

CNBC? About your refinery? Good luck with that General. Why are you even bringing that up? I said RA is a very good CEO. He knows how to play DALPA like a fine violin.

You really are psychotic with some of this BS. Who cares?

You can argue with yourself. I'm just glad others see how strange these things you throw out there to prove some bizzare point.

Cheers.

Talk about CLASSIC. Yes, YOU know more about companies and oil than analysts that look at this stuff every day....... And one walk up business class fare in First Class on the MD90 costs more than 20 of your seats. Business people don't always book 3 weeks in advance. You know that... It's a different type of product, one that costs more.

Not psychotic, it just reminded me of YOUR rants. Look, smarter people than you and me are running this stuff. RA and GK are probably geniuses. I didn't slam GK, I just stated what an analyst stated on a specific show. He gave sound reasoning about why he liked DL and RA. The other analysts seemed to agree in the end. That is a good thing. I just brought up the topic because it reminded me of things my "buddy" Red said...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Get back to us when you have ZERO RJs and 40 straight years of profits. I know that hurts Gen, but facts are facts.

As I said above, I'm done arguing with your psychosis.

Wait, you just gave up RJs of a sort---88 717s that were flying to smaller cities (like Bloomington, Charlie West, Tunica, etc). Those are now going to DL, and they will take over those routes, and do well. Also, as this ATL article states, you are NOT a hub and spoke anymore in ATL, you are now switching it around to point to point, right? Well, DL is a hub and spoke airline, with some feed to smaller cities that can't support anything but a 50 seater (like Valdosta). Cities like that need a small RJ or a prop, and those planes fly to ATL and do feed DL 767s to LAX. A 717 would NEVER fill up at Valdosta. You can say all of our flights should be done with mainline, but your airline does do some INTL flights with Volaris. (not as many as DL does with SkyTeam etc, but some none the less) So, not all of your flights are done with your crews, so you do the same thing, at a smaller scale.

I know you said you have had 40 straight years of profits, and that is impressive. But, you have had some close quarters recently, and that was because your hedging was bad, or whatever. There will be some ups and downs, and the 3 legacies are now in an upswing due to consolidation and fees. Even your airline merged, (how well, it remains to be seen) and that will help us all. But, the 3 legacies are going to expand a lot, and will become revenue generators. That means a good chance for solid profits for years, and that is good.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PCL_128]

It's Max, the AT guy trying to be the first AT Chief Pilot at SWA.

Nah, that won't happen. The SWAPA contract requires you to be a SWA captain for a few years before you can be a CP. And thanks to Max's seniority integration, he won't be a captain for a long, long time.

It looks like you have gotten over the SLI, and that is impressive.

That's because he helped to craft it. He was on our MC, General.