Southwest changing it's "stance" in ATL. HMMMMMM

[zippy32]

There's that Southwest smugness.

So when the General states a fact in defense of his airline, it's just the "stone cold truth."

But when a SWA guy states a fact in defense of his airline, it's smugness.

Okay, got it.

 

[redflyer65]

I don't know, but GK has shrunk his operation at other cities (SEA and PHL for example), when the competition heats up. He is trying to find that LCC model again, and in the meantime he is trying to stave off bag fees, while also trying to fit 737-800s into 25 min turns, even though they carry a lot more than the 737-700. It's been a rough year, and the "rough" merger SLI hasn't helped with the "LUV" Spirit.

If SWA wants to retool the ATL operation and have 3 flights at day to MCI at 0800, 1200, and 1700, that's great. DL has 7 mainline flights, 5 MD90s and 2 757s btw....


Bye Bye---General Lee

General,

Your entire statement here is completely off base. Which just shows me your looking to fling poo (as true in the past)

Rough year? I think you'll see another healthy profit for 2013 and we started off with a VERY strong quarter, even with weakness in Jan and Mar.

We never have tried to turn the 800 in 25 minutes. Any changes that Gary makes is to make a PROFIT. He will not run this operation at a loss. Got it? Your thinking like a 'legacy' still. Run 7 mainline flights to MCI if you want. Do all 7 make a profit? IF the do, then great. If not, then why are you running all 7?


Flyer,

You have something else to refute me FACTS? or just some other emotional zinger?

 

[Citrusflyer]

Airtran was de-emphasizing ATL before SWA came along, things are just continuing on the same lines under new management. Nothing new going on here.

 

[atldc9]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the "my airline is better than your airline line?" We're all pawns to the guys in the suits. Well paid and important pawns, but pawns none the less. We don't pick what cities we fly to, what equipment our airline flys, what procedures they use, what time the schedule is, etc.

If you need to compete, there are plenty of adult sports leagues around.

 

[slaquer5]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the "my airline is better than your airline line?" We're all pawns to the guys in the suits. Well paid and important pawns, but pawns none the less. We don't pick what cities we fly to, what equipment our airline flys, what procedures they use, what time the schedule is, etc.

If you need to compete, there are plenty of adult sports leagues around.

Amen brother

 

[maxblast72]

If SWA wants to retool the ATL operation and have 3 flights at day to MCI at 0800, 1200, and 1700, that's great. DL has 7 mainline flights, 5 MD90s and 2 757s btw....


Bye Bye---General Lee

SWA will run 3 flights a day and fill up those flights with O&D traffic (for 2012, 70% of SWA passengers did not connect). Delta will fly 7 flights but probably have 70% of their passengers connect in ATL.

General, which type of passenger provides a higher yield, an O&D pax or a connecting pax?

 

[maxblast72]

It's been a rough year, and the "rough" merger SLI hasn't helped with the "LUV" Spirit.

Bye Bye---General Lee

Rough year? 2012 Net profit $420 million (without merger revenue synergies). Wall Street predicting $700-800 million net profit for 2013 (and we see they underpredicted Q1 numbers). Very little debt coming due over next 2 years. $500 million free cash flow for Q1. $3.2 billion in bank.

Keep looking for a way to pay for that underfunded pension obligation General.

 

[fam62c]

Nothing unusual here, SW is just doing in ATL what they do in all of their other core cities. SW doesn't operate their network like DAL and AT, it is different. SW doesn't operate in large banks at certain times, they spread capacity out over the day. The number of flights may be less than what AT had at it's peak but with all 737's the number of seats is probably comparable. It seems to me that SW has done pretty well over the years with their model.

 

[Dan Roman]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the "my airline is better than your airline line?" We're all pawns to the guys in the suits. Well paid and important pawns, but pawns none the less. We don't pick what cities we fly to, what equipment our airline flys, what procedures they use, what time the schedule is, etc.

If you need to compete, there are plenty of adult sports leagues around.

Well said!

 

[Scoot 11]

Pardon me for jumping on yet another SW vs. DL bash thread.
Can some of you **************************************** please get a hobby! Jeez, I'm tired of this. General. Stop embarrassing the DL pilot group, PLEASE?

 

[General Lee]

SWA will run 3 flights a day and fill up those flights with O&D traffic (for 2012, 70% of SWA passengers did not connect). Delta will fly 7 flights but probably have 70% of their passengers connect in ATL.

General, which type of passenger provides a higher yield, an O&D pax or a connecting pax?

Really? DL has 7 flights a day, 2 of which are 757s, and they could upguage to more 757s if needed. You guys currently have 18 738s to try to upguage if needed, system wide. DL flights will be packed, but if locals in ATL need more seats, plenty of bigger planes are ready. Face it, your other strategy wasn't working, so as the article states, you are making big changes. DL just adds more flights and bigger planes if needed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Pardon me for jumping on yet another SW vs. DL bash thread.
Can some of you **************************************** please get a hobby! Jeez, I'm tired of this. General. Stop embarrassing the DL pilot group, PLEASE?

Welcome to FI Scoot. If you can't handle a little ribbing, then leave. I speak for me, and not for you, or any group. Bye!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Rough year? 2012 Net profit $420 million (without merger revenue synergies). Wall Street predicting $700-800 million net profit for 2013 (and we see they underpredicted Q1 numbers). Very little debt coming due over next 2 years. $500 million free cash flow for Q1. $3.2 billion in bank.

Keep looking for a way to pay for that underfunded pension obligation General.

It's Max, the AT guy trying to be the first AT Chief Pilot at SWA. You are one of the only "giddy" AT pilots, on this board anyway. It looks like you have gotten over the SLI, and that is impressive. Let's hope the rest do within the next decade.

And if profits continue to be twice or three times yours each year, the pension obligations may be taken care of. You know that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Really? DL has 7 flights a day, 2 of which are 757s, and they could upguage to more 757s if needed. You guys currently have 18 738s to try to upguage if needed, system wide. DL flights will be packed, but if locals in ATL need more seats, plenty of bigger planes are ready. Face it, your other strategy wasn't working, so as the article states, you are making big changes. DL just adds more flights and bigger planes if needed.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Not even closed to packed on ATL-MCI Gen.

Take a look, starting even next week until the end of May (after Memorial Day).

Most all of those flight are really pretty empty, but you keep running those empty planes General. Some have 90-110 EMPTY seats.

I'm not a 'my airline is better than your's' what-so-ever. Just have to refute some of the BS the General tries to throw out there. Just slinging poo as usual.

Delta is a fine airline with good management team. SW is good. We'll both be fine, I guarantee!

RF

 

[waveflyer]

Everything you say GL is
"Maybe" this
&
This "may" happen


Lots of things "might" happen general

"Maybe" one day you and scoot won't agree that selling out half of your domestic departures isn't good business in any way...

"Maybe" anyway