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Nobody gets fired for an asap report. Maybe the activity that caused them to file an asap report. But not the report itself. So what was the event that required the asap?
 
Smarta$$ said:
This is why you guys have no credibility. You will say anything to scare people into a yes vote.
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Perhaps the handful qf negative posters are really Jet Blue management with an agenda to persuade all pro union pilot applicants not to apply. If this is the case they're doing an excellent job. Brilliant.
 
NoPFactor said:
Perhaps the handful qf negative posters are really Jet Blue management with an agenda to persuade all pro union pilot applicants not to apply. If this is the case they're doing an excellent job. Brilliant.
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Negative posters? Haha. Everything I have posted on this board is fact. Some of you just don't like the facts and it upsets you to read about the real JetBlue. That said, why would anyone base an important decision such as voting for or against a union because they don't like a few participants on anonymous message board?
 
B6Busdriver said:
Negative posters? Haha. Everything I have posted on this board is fact. Some of you just don't like the facts and it upsets you to read about the real JetBlue. That said, why would anyone base an important decision such as voting for or against a union because they don't like a few participants on anonymous message board?
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Where did I mention anything about a union vote. I was referencing qualified pilots who don't even work for JetBlue.

There's no doubt you're keeping a signifigant number of pro union pilots from applying.
 
NoPFactor said:
Where did I mention anything about a union vote. I was referencing qualified pilots who don't even work for JetBlue.

There's no doubt you're keeping a signifigant number of pro union pilots from applying.
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As I said before I have posted facts about our current situation at JetBlue. If they decide to not apply because of it then so be it. I would hate to cover up the facts just get pro union people to apply, that just isn't right.
 
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As for the facts in the case of our most recently terminated pilot, there are many that know the whole story. No one should probably know the whole story except those that have signed a non-disclosure agreement. Anyone claiming to know the entire story would be putting themselves, their source, and the pilot in question at risk. All I can say is this, the process has failed...again. The company has terminated way too many pilots over the last year and I would expect to see more. If you are a known union supporter or 3A participant it seems you have a target on your head.
 
B6Busdriver said:
As for the facts in the case of our most recently terminated pilot, there are many that know the whole story. No one should probably know the whole story except those that have signed a non-disclosure agreement. Anyone claiming to know the entire story would be putting themselves, their source, and the pilot in question at risk. All I can say is this, the process has failed...again. The company has terminated way too many pilots over the last year and I would expect to see more. If you are a known union supporter or 3A participant it seems you have a target on your head.
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Totally F_ING hillarious dude.

Not ONE bit of explanation about why this person was fired other than they filed an ASAP, and yet you want us to simply believe the process failed. What a joke. Until I hear the alleged fire-able action (without any names or identifiable information), I will not simply take YOUR word for it.
 
So what happens when an asap is filed then the faa comes asking questions and then the asap gets rescinded and removed by the company in the best interests of a possible media report then faa issues and emergency suspension of pilots certificate pending investigation and company uses the " pilot must maintain certification " clause to fire you with no due process.

Let me guess it will never happen to any one of you will it?

Captain V lets raise a glass to hoping you " get lucky " with your healthcare and lets hope the blue pilot fund can help the ones that experience finanacial devestation because they have a sick or injured family member.. Thats a great health plan.. gate agents, rampers, new fo's making 35k shelling out up to $18,000 a year for health care.. Im sure they can afford it..
 
Smarta$$ said:
Totally F_ING hillarious dude.

Not ONE bit of explanation about why this person was fired other than they filed an ASAP, and yet you want us to simply believe the process failed. What a joke. Until I hear the alleged fire-able action (without any names or identifiable information), I will not simply take YOUR word for it.
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I really don't care what you do. Go pi$$ up a rope for all I care. You have no clue what goes on around here. Just wait until it is you or your friend in the hotseat. Shame on you for finding a post hilarious about one of our own getting terminated.
 
Facts:

More facts for potential new hires at JB. Spent half of last year on reserve on first year pay 190. Half of the year with a line on 2nd year pay 190. $63K gross.
-January schedule, 15 days off with 80 hours credit. Weekends off.
-Feb Schedule 84 hours, 15 days off, Don't work a single Sat or Sun and only 1 Friday

BOS-190

Many people have different schedules based on base, seat etc. Just trying to let people know what my life is like with a couple years in. Life can be good here, but my advise is to have a HUGE emergency fund if you are going to use JetBlues healthcare.

I love working at JB
I am a YES vote based on fact not emotion
Yes I will go to Delta when/if I get the chance
 
B6Busdriver said:
I really don't care what you do. Go pi$$ up a rope for all I care. You have no clue what goes on around here. Just wait until it is you or your friend in the hotseat. Shame on you for finding a post hilarious about one of our own getting terminated.
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What I find hilarious is you, not the one who lost his/her job. What, specifically were they fired for? If you still want to play the "I can't tell you, but its bad game" then go ******************** yourself.
 
Smarta$$ said:
That's right. Nobody gets fired for filing an ASAP report.
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His name is John Stevens with 5 kids, that's right 5 kids, one a toddler. If you can justify firing this guy and moving the FAA toward emergency revocation of his certificate (meaning he can't ever fly again), as the first step, with zero progressive guidance or punishment short of firing, then you really are a jetblue pilot.

He was a member of the last organizing committee and a 3A signee. Does this help your perspective? There is a blue list and a not so blue list and John was on the wrong list, while you sir are on the wrong argument.

For those applying to B6, don't do it. It is a poor place to work with no seniority movement, except when they fire organizing committee members.
 
fifty30retard said:
His name is John Stevens with 5 kids, that's right 5 kids, one a toddler. If you can justify firing this guy and moving the FAA toward emergency revocation of his certificate (meaning he can't ever fly again), as the first step, with zero progressive guidance or punishment short of firing, then you really are a jetblue pilot.

He was a member of the last organizing committee and a 3A signee. Does this help your perspective? There is a blue list and a not so blue list and John was on the wrong list, while you sir are on the wrong argument.

For those applying to B6, don't do it. It is a poor place to work with no seniority movement, except when they fire organizing committee members.
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Did he lie on his ASAP report? If you lie and they catch you, you will get fired six days a week and twice on Sundays OC or not. If he lied, he jeopardized the ASAP program for all of us. I don't care if he's a nice guy or how many kids he has, it has no bearing on his punishment or his crime. My last company had ALPA, but the one thing they couldn't save you from was being caught in a lie. It's very simple, if he was wrongfully terminated then a good lawyer will get him his job back, if not.....
 
Smarta$$ If your a JB pilot, you should be embarrassed. This gentleman was let go without due process for reasons that you claim cannot happen. Well maybe you can explain it to his kids.
 
WateryGrave said:
Did he lie on his ASAP report? If you lie and they catch you, you will get fired six days a week and twice on Sundays OC or not. If he lied, he jeopardized the ASAP program for all of us. I don't care if he's a nice guy or how many kids he has, it has no bearing on his punishment or his crime. My last company had ALPA, but the one thing they couldn't save you from was being caught in a lie. It's very simple, if he was wrongfully terminated then a good lawyer will get him his job back, if not.....
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What if the company claimed you lied? and because you have no way to defend yourself or nobody to stand up for you, your fired. What then? Hire a lawyer and slug it out over the course of 5 years in court? What do you pay the bills with while you wait. Thats the point of what experienced people are trying to tell you about JetBlue. Your on your own here. No CBA, no union protection. As long as you never have an altitude deviation or nordo event during your career I guess you'll be OK.
 
banger said:
What if the company claimed you lied? and because you have no way to defend yourself or nobody to stand up for you, your fired. What then? Hire a lawyer and slug it out over the course of 5 years in court? What do you pay the bills with while you wait. Thats the point of what experienced people are trying to tell you about JetBlue. Your on your own here. No CBA, no union protection. As long as you never have an altitude deviation or nordo event during your career I guess you'll be OK.
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Having a NORDO event and overflying your destination at 350 are not the same thing... or are they?
 
WateryGrave said:
Having a NORDO event and overflying your destination at 350 are not the same thing... or are they?
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Again my point is if the company claims you lied and fires you here at JB, its game over. Your fired. No recourse. No opportunity to prove yourself. Nobody to back you up. Your on your own. Yea you can get a lawyer and prove you were fired illegally but thats expensive, hard, and never a gaurantee you will be made whole even if your in the right. At jetblue your walking a tightrope.
 
Northwest captain and fo fired for falling asleep and overflying their destination. Both alpa.

So just as I thought. Not fired for an asap report.

You guys are way too much. You will say and spin anything to get your way.
 
By your own standards, tell people not to go work for Delta, because they fired TWO guys for the exact same thing.......

F$&&#%G tools.
 
Smarta$$ said:
Northwest captain and fo fired for falling asleep and overflying their destination. Both alpa.

So just as I thought. Not fired for an asap report.

You guys are way too much. You will say and spin anything to get your way.
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Guess what? They both got their jobs back.
 
CapnVegetto said:
Do you think they deserved to get their jobs back?
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Not my place to judge. They followed a defined process and were found to be competent to continue as professional aviators. As for JetBlue terminations I am only familiar with about half of them. Clearly there are cases that will win wrongful termination suits. One from several years back received several million dollars.
 

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