Ta reached at 9e

[mesaba13]

End state of Pinnacle will be 81 CRJ900's. All 140 200's will leave between summer 2013 and early 2015. The 40 New 900's begin arriving next fall.

The big question is how do you get a majority of the 2400 pilots to ratify something that will eliminate all but around 1000 jobs?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

You really don't know or is this just a rhetorical question?

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Flow.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

A flow to an airline that is now saying no hiring til at least 2014... too little to late, Carl. That does those being cut no good. And considering how Delta burned the Mesaba group once, why should that part of the list bother to belive them this time? What will keep Delta from pulling the flow just like last time?

 

[General Lee]

A flow to an airline that is now saying no hiring til at least 2014... too little to late, Carl. That does those being cut no good. And considering how Delta burned the Mesaba group once, why should that part of the list bother to belive them this time? What will keep Delta from pulling the flow just like last time?

You can always turn down the flow like many senior Mesaba guys did. Talk about a mistake! The Compass guys and 108(?) Mesaba guys got class dates with no interview or medical/psych. And some Mesaba guys turned it down? Wow...

When the upward movement does start, it won't stop for years. Btw, there may be some flow in late 2013.... 88 717s (starting in Aug 2013) will add 1000 jobs, and then retirements will eventually add more. Or, you can stay disgruntled...


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[veneratio]

So a majority of CA will get downgraded and lose pay, why not just vote NO and collect unemployment?

 

[VGerect]

You can always turn down the flow like many senior Mesaba guys did. Talk about a mistake! The Compass guys and 108(?) Mesaba guys got class dates with no interview or medical/psych. And some Mesaba guys turned it down? Wow...

When the upward movement does start, it won't stop for years. Btw, there may be some flow in late 2013.... 88 717s (starting in Aug 2013) will add 1000 jobs, and then retirements will eventually add more. Or, you can stay disgruntled...


Bye Bye----General Lee

Was the 4 year college degree required for flow-throughs? If they didn't have the 4 year degree were they prevented from flowing up ?

 

[Flyer1015]

81 planes. So a 1000 pilots end state? Of the current 2,400 pilots, 1400 stand to lose their jobs altogether between now and end 2014. So if the 1400 are going to be unemployed anyway, why vote yes? I don't see the incentive to vote yes for these 1400. These guys already have a timeframe for their last day. Why not full pay to the last day, because only about a 1000 pilots will have jobs left.

 

[Flyer1015]

A flow? No delta hiring in 2013. And once the hiring starts, Compass gets the first dibs on a certain percent of a class date. Asides from the original Mesaba flow, anyone else would be a loong time to flow.

 

[General Lee]

Was the 4 year college degree required for flow-throughs? If they didn't have the 4 year degree were they prevented from flowing up ?

I think they were allowed. Not certain, though. I think they were just offered a class, with no interview to ask about college. It was a great deal. One Compass Capt was a previous DL Capt that took the early out lump sum retirement before the BK. Now he gets to go back again.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Oakum_Boy]

No degree, Gulfstream training, 410-ing it, voting in a TA fit for McDonald's french fry fry chefs. If I were a major airline, I'd be hiring these dudes left and right

 

[Twisted Mind]

General Lee,

The difference between a smart pilot and a dumb pilot is the smart one knows his/her career fortune hinges more on luck than skill. That being said one can make their own "luck".

 

[rjacobs]

I am sure DAL and PNCL management KNOW this wont pass, but it shifts the blame from them back to the pilots when they "have to shut the company down because those damn pilots didnt/wouldnt work with us". Its bull ********************.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee,

The difference between a smart pilot and a dumb pilot is the smart one knows his/her career fortune hinges more on luck than skill. That being said one can make their own "luck".

Thanks, I agree. A lot of this industry is "who you know." But, a guaranteed flow up is NEVER to be ignored. No sim (never has been), no interview, no tests, no psych, no medical, just a class date. The senior guys who turned that down must have been very old, or very rich on their own. It doesn't get any better than an offer like that.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Heard from a birdie that there is some sort of flow agreement in the TA. However, an interview is still required and only around 15~ a month can flow.

 

[Flyer1015]

Heard from a birdie that there is some sort of flow agreement in the TA. However, an interview is still required and only around 15~ a month can flow.

If it requires an interview, that's not a flow, that's just a guaranteed interview.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Heard from a birdie that there is some sort of flow agreement in the TA. However, an interview is still required and only around 15~ a month can flow.

Interview = preferential interview not a flow through.. At least that's how I look at it.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Interview = preferential interview not a flow through.. At least that's how I look at it.

I agree, its not a flow if there is an interview. It's all rumors anyway,we'll all kwow more tomorrow.

 

[DoinTime]

81 planes. So a 1000 pilots end state?

1000 pilots? Try less than 800.

 

[big shacks]

As almost a nine year XJ'er... this is pissing on our grave. 9E got the shaft too, but this is super harsh..so a Colgan 2008 hire will be employed at the end of this sh-t storm...and 2004 XJ'er will be getting rammed "no lube". Wow what a failure! Yes Colgan pilots I realize its not your fault...still a massive failure!