DAL and SKYW

[Nevets]

So probably the airline that made the money to buy the other two in the first place?

Anyways, just trying to prove there is no such thing as a whipsaw going on

Whipsaw is used to extract further savings. Don't be so naive.

 

[nimtz]

So probably the airline that made the money to buy the other two in the first place?

Anyways, just trying to prove there is no such thing as a whipsaw going on

Recently heard from mid level manager friend at OO that attrition amongst more reliable dispatchers of years past has unfortunately shown in the operation. Well you obviously have not been tempted by a better career like others. I salute your staying power sir!

 

[Flyer1015]

trust me. if your group has the 700-900's, stay independent

Agreed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCUiGArhW2M

 

[veneratio]

Of the 34 larger regional jets that SkyWest is adding to its Delta Connection operations, Delta says 18 will come from Delta regional subsidiary Comair, which is being shut down as of Sept. 29. Comair currently operates 15 CRJ700s and 13 CRJ900s.

The other 16 will come from Pinnacle, Delta says. Pinnacle, which is restructuring under Chapter 11 with Delta financing, operates 16 CRJ900s for Delta that are scheduled to be removed from service between January and May 2013

 

[ASApuppy]

These 16 are already operating in ATL. I think DAL will want to keep that there, especially if we start removing 50's. I think this latest displacement bid out of ATL and into DTW is just a scare tactic. Same one the same manegers tried in summer of '06 when they announced the transfer of 12 700's to SKYW because we were too expensive. Tutt and Hall desperately wanted a furlough to scares us into a cheap contract. Didn't work because other airlines started hiring at rates greater than our shrinkage and we were left needing to hire. Soon as first class annouced, the transfer of aircraft "mysteriously" stopped. I expect our TA will be carefully timed with 16 900's to the ATL base.

As far as the whipsaw... sure the threat is there daily, but if it is so important, why was Skywest pilots given the exact same payrates (that we negotiated over 5 years) the following week after our approval? I'll bet you a paycheck that the same thing happens again.

Bottom line... the industry has changed from 10 years ago. There are virtually no replacement pilots at our current offering wage. Will more come if new-hire CRJ pay is $30/hr? Don't know. The majors are proving they have more to give as they are giving their own pilots 20% raises. Just because your the cheapest bid for the feed is no guarantee you can fill your classes. Full disclosure....this last thought is skewed by a bunch of qualified CRJ pilots on the street. How many ex Comair or Pinnacle pilots will apply to GoJet? I think the changes in scope have everything to do with the prediction of how many pilots there will be in the industry over the next 5 years.

 

[10nCLR]

Recently heard from mid level manager friend at OO that attrition amongst more reliable dispatchers of years past has unfortunately shown in the operation. Well you obviously have not been tempted by a better career like others. I salute your staying power sir!

Sorry, I highly disagree with that statement sir.

 

[Jags1]

These 16 are already operating in ATL. I think DAL will want to keep that there, especially if we start removing 50's. I think this latest displacement bid out of ATL and into DTW is just a scare tactic. Same one the same manegers tried in summer of '06 when they announced the transfer of 12 700's to SKYW because we were too expensive. Tutt and Hall desperately wanted a furlough to scares us into a cheap contract. Didn't work because other airlines started hiring at rates greater than our shrinkage and we were left needing to hire. Soon as first class annouced, the transfer of aircraft "mysteriously" stopped. I expect our TA will be carefully timed with 16 900's to the ATL base.

As far as the whipsaw... sure the threat is there daily, but if it is so important, why was Skywest pilots given the exact same payrates (that we negotiated over 5 years) the following week after our approval? I'll bet you a paycheck that the same thing happens again.

Bottom line... the industry has changed from 10 years ago. There are virtually no replacement pilots at our current offering wage. Will more come if new-hire CRJ pay is $30/hr? Don't know. The majors are proving they have more to give as they are giving their own pilots 20% raises. Just because your the cheapest bid for the feed is no guarantee you can fill your classes. Full disclosure....this last thought is skewed by a bunch of qualified CRJ pilots on the street. How many ex Comair or Pinnacle pilots will apply to GoJet? I think the changes in scope have everything to do with the prediction of how many pilots there will be in the industry over the next 5 years.

I think pinnacle will still have a base in ATL when it's all said and done. All they have to do is move 16 900's with XJ tail numbers out of DTW/MSP to ATL. I could be wrong, but I don't see Delta allowing Expressjet to have that much 76 seat flying out of one base. It goes against their "spread out the flying in one hub" strategy.

 

[CRJ puppy]

I think pinnacle will still have a base in ATL when it's all said and done. All they have to do is move 16 900's with XJ tail numbers out of DTW/MSP to ATL. I could be wrong, but I don't see Delta allowing Expressjet to have that much 76 seat flying out of one base. It goes against their "spread out the flying in one hub" strategy.

Delta's contract with ASA/Skywest (which was part on the purchase agreement when Skywest bought ASA) REQUIRES 80% of all DCI departures from ATL to be Skywest/ASA (expressjet).

 

[Jags1]

I understand that, but sending 16 900's, already operated by pinnacle out of atlanta, and bring in 16 different 900's operated by pinnacle wouldn't change anything. Skywest/expressjet would still have the same percentage of flying.

 

[McNugent]

Not when ASA starts parking 50 seaters.

 

[Jags1]

I guess that depends on what the current percentage is. Does anyone know?

 

[Thebadcat1313]

August 03, 2012

SkyWest plans to add more than three dozen 76-seat aircraft to its Delta Connection service and remove nearly twice that number of 50-seaters as a nod to Delta Air Lines’ push for higher-capacity aircraft among its regional partners.

SkyWest, the parent company of SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Airlines, will take on 34 aircraft—five Bombardier CRJ700s and 29 CRJ900s—and shed 66 of its CRJ200s under an “understanding” reached with Delta. SkyWest will take delivery of the new aircraft between August 2012 and June 2013 for Delta Connection service and remove the CRJ200s between August 2012 and December 2015.

Of the 66 CRJ200s, 41 are Delta-financed aircraft and are scheduled to be returned to Delta without obligation to SkyWest, the Utah-based company says.

Of the 34 larger regional jets that SkyWest is adding to its Delta Connection operations, Delta says 18 will come from Delta regional subsidiary Comair, which is being shut down as of Sept. 29. Comair currently operates 15 CRJ700s and 13 CRJ900s.

The other 16 will come from Pinnacle, Delta says. Pinnacle, which is restructuring under Chapter 11 with Delta financing, operates 16 CRJ900s for Delta that are scheduled to be removed from service between January and May 2013; it also has a long-term deal to continue operating 41 other CRJ900s for Delta.

SkyWest CFO Michael Kraupp tells Aviation Week that SkyWest continues to determine its plans for the new aircraft—whether to take over existing financing, sublease them or pursue other actions.

The deal comes weeks after SkyWest expressed resistance to Delta’s plan to encourage its regional airline partners to end their 50-seat regional jet flying before feeder contracts expire. Kraupp told Aviation Week at the time that such an offer would not be acceptable unless an alternative were provided for the CRJ200s. He now says SkyWest is receptive to the deal because 41 of the 50-seaters belong to Delta and he is confident that SkyWest can place its 25 50-seaters “based on opportunities that we are working.” He says SkyWest will not have to park any of the aircraft.

 

[General Lee]

SkyWest reaches deal with Delta to add 34 newer CRJs, retire 66 older CRJs
Air Transport World
By Aaron Karp | August 2, 2012

SkyWest Inc., the parent of St. George, Utah-based SkyWest Airlines and Atlanta-based ExpressJet Airlines, said it has “reached an understanding” with Delta Air Lines (DL) enabling it to take delivery 34 Bombardier CRJ700s/900s while removing 66 older CRJ200s from its fleet.

SkyWest did not explain the origin of the five CRJ700s and 29 CRJ900s slated to join its fleet incrementally from this month to June 2013. The regional operator said it expects to incorporate the aircraft into existing agreements with DL, enabling it to operate them on Delta Connection-branded flights through 2022.

DL recently announced it is shutting down regional subsidiary Comair (ATW Daily News, July 27). It is possible that CRJ700s/900s operated by Comair make up some of the aircraft coming SkyWest’s way, though this has not been stated.

SkyWest said it “intends to remove the 66 CRJ200 aircraft from existing Delta Connection service between August 2012 and December 2015.” It noted that 41 are DL-financed aircraft that will be returned to the Atlanta-based mainline carrier. Another 25 are SkyWest-financed aircraft. It said it “is currently working on opportunities to mitigate the financial risk associated with removing those aircraft from Delta service.”

SkyWest last month signed an agreement in principle for 100 Mitsubishi Regional Jets (ATW Daily News, July 11).




Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

only a few more Jenny and you'll have that article on every one chump

 

[10nCLR]

So far, this is what I get out of all of this. 18 out of the 34 crj7/9 start being delivered(soon) mid August. Tallied up, XE gets 3 crj7, 6 crj9 and OO gets 2 crj7, 7 crj9. The other 16 are yet to be divvied up.