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[PCL_128]

and they actually did try to put us all on probation

Wow. That's the first time I've heard that. Unbelievable. Golden rule, my ass.

 

[madjack]

Disappointed sure, surprised?

 

[madjack]

If the company wanted to, they could have said staple or nonintegrate vs SL10... F the golden rule in negotiations, you wanted seats and pay as did we, we were here first and our company bought your company...the fact that sl10 is not a staple and you still have jobs is because SWA needs you to come to work....

 

[Cometman]

This speaks volumes. He is already getting a wonderful reputation at SWA and he isnt even here yet. Must be proud.

Remember, you can take the animal out of the jungle but you cannot take the jungle out of the animal. Both PCL and Lear70 are what they are. Just because they are now with SWA doesn't mean they will be any different. Their reputation will follow them through out their careers. If they were truly professional they would stop stirring the pot on FI and the other forums. However, it makes them feel smart with all their talk. They are bitter and will never forget it. They will be a thorn in SWA side for years to come.

 

[scoreboardII]

GK's 15% ROI myth.

While some have posted SWA came close to making 15% ROI, and claim it will take just a few quarters to hit it, SWA may hit it one quarter off and on, but not repeatably.

The reason is SWA does not opperate in a vacuum. For every opportunity to go after 15% ROI comes with it a challenge to charge less to get or keep market share because we do not operate in a vacuum: our fuel charge is their fuel charge, our labor cost is their labor cost. It means defering replacement aircraft solely to get 15% ROI. So when SWA starts popping more tops and buying replacement jets, that ROI slips further out to the horizon. What we can charge for a ticket is what they can charge for a ticket. More seats on a plane doesn't mean more money unless you can make money filling those seats.

The 15% ROI dream is GK's way to keep everyone on their toes and keep them guessing: will he defer purchases, start new destinations, close old ones, go international? Who knows, he is going after 15%, even though he can't repeatably get 15% because it gives him flexability.

I say 10% is achievable, 15, not so much.

I saw a SWA published chart showing our prime equal cost competitor were Allegient, Virgin America and Jetblue. Lets see, we are being compared against a scheduled charter operation, a privately held non unionized airline backed by Branson known to fund a cause for decades before he see's a return and Jetblue, another non unionized workforce who will soon be clamoring for a union as their young see their futures sink.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Oh yes.....the Golden Rule that everyone keeps talking about.

SWA version....treat people respectfully.

AT version....give me what I think I deserve in negotiations.

Guess what Lear, you were negotiating with the management of the most successful airline in the world!!! Did you actually you were going to ever force their back against the wall? Many of us cautioned you guys continually on this subject. They talk nice, but they will pin your arse against the wall if you don't play their way. Guess what, you made your move and this is what happened. There have not been very many times that someone comes out with a better deal the second time around with these guys. Anyways, whats done is done......hopefully we can grow and make money.

 

[PCL_128]

SWA version....treat people respectfully.

In that case, I don't think "respectfully" means what they think it means.

 

[Lear70]

Wow. That's the first time I've heard that. Unbelievable. Golden rule, my ass.

Yeah, morning of Day 2.

Jack went in privately with Frank to tell them that this issue was one of the few we had authority to walk away for and would.

It took 4 hours while Russ M and Joe H went to Mike V with SWAPA and we essentially cooled our heels most of the morning and lunch before they came back and said Mike V approved that to be taken back off the table (removing any talk of probation) and putting the "no-probation" language back in.

 

[Lear70]

Remember, you can take the animal out of the jungle but you cannot take the jungle out of the animal. Both PCL and Lear70 are what they are. Just because they are now with SWA doesn't mean they will be any different. Their reputation will follow them through out their careers. If they were truly professional they would stop stirring the pot on FI and the other forums. However, it makes them feel smart with all their talk. They are bitter and will never forget it. They will be a thorn in SWA side for years to come.

And you expect me to believe you don't work for Southwest or AirTran? Riiiiight... You sound a lot like Bennefield... I think he used that exact wording on our message board a while back... as did Boeing 717. How's that lawsuit going by the way?

At any rate, I'm not the one stirring the pot, but I also won't let people take potshots at me without responding. In case you hadn't noticed, it had been days since I'd posted until someone called me out. Just been watching and listening and am content to do so when people let things be.

But you and your buddy Boeing717 keep trying... someone might believe you, if they don't go back and read the actual thread. I don't respond until someone says something that's not true or calls me out. Otherwise I keep telling people to just let it go and move on.

Make sure you print the whole thread when you take it upstairs, and not just cutting and pasting the parts you take exception to...

 

[Cometman]

And you expect me to believe you don't work for Southwest or AirTran? Riiiiight... You sound a lot like Bennefield... I think he used that exact wording on our message board a while back... as did Boeing 717. How's that lawsuit going by the way?

At any rate, I'm not the one stirring the pot, but I also won't let people take potshots at me without responding. In case you hadn't noticed, it had been days since I'd posted until someone called me out. Just been watching and listening and am content to do so when people let things be.

But you and your buddy Boeing717 keep trying... someone might believe you, if they don't go back and read the actual thread. I don't respond until someone says something that's not true or calls me out. Otherwise I keep telling people to just let it go and move on.

Make sure you print the whole thread when you take it upstairs, and not just cutting and pasting the parts you take exception to...

Wrong. I do not work for either. You are not that smart Lear70. Remember the old saying " rather a man think I am fool than to open my mouth and remove all doubt". You should say that a few times so it sinks in. Your best bet is to try and stop posting and stick to your company site. This site is for people like me that has nothing else to do. You are too easy.

 

[Lear70]

Wrong. I do not work for either.

You either do or you're retired from one of the two (I'm betting retired SWA), but keep saying it if it makes you feel better...

Your best bet is to try and stop posting and stick to your company site.

I'd be glad to if people would stop calling me out or posting things that are just blatantly incorrect. I have posted many times trying to calm people down on here; I'm obviously not here to stir the pot.

 

[PCL_128]

Wrong. I do not work for either.

Yeah, sure.

 

[Cometman]

Yeah, sure.

I am sure we could prove it one way or the other if you are game. Let me know. But be ready to accept that fact you and Lear are wrong.

 

[Cometman]

You either do or you're retired from one of the two (I'm betting retired SWA), but keep saying it if it makes you feel better...

Now you are fishing Lear70. Admit you do not know but guessing. It is now time for you to move on and not worry about what other people on here are saying about you. They might be just like me and just getting to you. Grow up, you are not helping yourself start a new life with a new company. All you are doing is bring all your dirty laundry from one to the next. But then again you know that already.

 

[scoreboardII]

8-5-2009 this was posted:

I agree. If we have another type of aircraft it has to be the same pay rate as the 737. UPS does and it seems to work. However, if we are taking both groups then it has to be a staple. Just think if we did not staple. There could be Lynx guys ahead of SWA pilots? You would have to staple both groups for this to work.

The discussion was about SWA buying F9 and lynx; so why would you say "we are taking both groups" and "if we did not staple", if you are not or where not a SWA pilot?