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[Britpilot]

Trust me Brit, I don't think anyone is getting furloughed, but again your junior pilots had more furlough protection and a TON more money in the first agreement.

But it was voted down. The SW pilots had nothing to do with that.

I agree, it shoud have gone to the pilots but we should not have been placed in that situation either.



As far as furlough goes, crunch the numbers there are too many pilots so many of us are preparing for furlough.

It appears as though the company does not want to integrate us. If they did then it would have already been done.

 

[scoreboardII]

I didn't vote for it, so I'll "cry" about it all I want, thanks. And you seem to be missing the point here: we were lied to and mislead by management during the voting process.

I'll give you $1000 cash if you walk up to Gary Kelly and call him a liar and he agree's.

 

[vixin]

I was told by one of your guys that I was not good enough to be a SWA FO because I didn't have a type.

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

 

[redflyer65]

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

Agreed. +1

 

[FlyinGuy]

It appears as though the company does not want to integrate us. If they did then it would have already been done.

Do you actually pay attention to what you write, or do you just blab for the sake of blabbing?

You will be integrated according to the timeline. The same timeline that was in the SLI agreement, the same timeline that is still written today, and the same timeline that we will be talking about tomorrow. Could it go faster? sure. Will it go 6 months to a year longer? possibly.

 

[XR650R]

I would have had your back and told that guy the type doesnt mean diddly. Just a foolish requirement that excluded a lot of good pilots because they didnt want to gamble $8000. He probably got hired here with minimum time and believes he is the best because thats what they told him in the school house.

+1
Unfortunately we have a bunch of guys here that truly believe they're special (they're not). I'm not sure where that attitude comes from but I grow tired of it. And for the record, anyone who had to buy a type from a type rating factory knows it's all eye wash. My type at ACT in Dallas was an absolute joke. The check cleared and I passed my my type ride. Imagine that.

 

[dh82dvr]

Pilots bid 90% for money and no other reason.

The ONLY thing you had to give was seniority and a vast majority of us will always believe you didn't give enough- should have been DOH -5 across the list- and you'd still be ahead IMO -

If it had been DOH -5, would it really have been enough or would you have wanted more. The guys on the AT side are faced with uncertainty. I believe they will all be ok and will be transitioned, however, I understand their concern. Try and appreciate that fact.

Here is what is certain. The deal is done. There is no going back. Nothing can be solved on FI.

Its long past time to move forward and work together to achieve great things. I am lucky enough to have come across the partition. Its been a fantastic experience. I hope everyone comes sooner rather than later. No matter what anyone tells you, you don't get it until you experience it for yourself.

Cheers more beers

:beer:

 

[dragontamer]

Welcome across the partition dh82dvr!

 

[Britpilot]

Do you actually pay attention to what you write, or do you just blab for the sake of blabbing?

You will be integrated according to the timeline. The same timeline that was in the SLI agreement, the same timeline that is still written today, and the same timeline that we will be talking about tomorrow. Could it go faster? sure. Will it go 6 months to a year longer? possibly.

Do you actually pay attention to what you write?
This time line does not exist. There isn't one yet you state that I will be integrated in accordance with it.
I'll send you my employee # then perhaps you can give me a date that I can expect to cross the fence.
I expect to be furloughed long before that happens anyway.

 

[Bake]

Brit, then you are either a current SWA pilot on SWA painted equipment or you are not at either AT or SWA all together. I say this because all AT pilots will be across the partition in the next 2.5 years. Also, SWA will not furlough under normal recessions etc. If WW3 starts, maybe but not a recession. Line totals will drop I predict, but they will not furlough. My penny.

DH, welcome across. Glad you are enjoying it so far. I still do for the most part, however there are some days that get to ya.

 

[Britpilot]

Brit, then you are either a current SWA pilot on SWA painted equipment or you are not at either AT or SWA all together. I say this because all AT pilots will be across the partition in the next 2.5 years. Also, SWA will not furlough under normal recessions etc. If WW3 starts, maybe but not a recession. Line totals will drop I predict, but they will not furlough. My penny.

I'll send you my employee # so you can verify me.

We will NOT all be over in 21/2 years, far from it. There is no time line, if there was I would know about it.

Pilots four years junior to me are crossing over before me, not right.

We will be around 400 numbers fat and it is not possible for us all to complete the required 60 days training by Jan 2015 so you tell me what will happen.

New reservation system not in place for at least two more years will further slow the pace of integration.

So you see your time frame is impossible and there is a very good chance of furlough.

 

[Citrusflyer]

I keep hearing folks say the time line is on track. Really? Lear has shown #'s to show it's not. If you don't believe him, and are somewhat decent at math, try some - you can't come up with a way to get all the AT folks over until late 2015 at the earliest.

If the SWA guys have an actual timeline for us to see, I'd love to look at it. SWAPA doesn't have one, nor does ALPA. If the company has one, they're not showing us. No one on the AT side has one, save for the original, and that still has 717 transitions, so we know its void.

"SWA has never furloughed"..., yeah I get that. But as many SWA guys state, the AT pilots are not real SWA pilots - yet. Furloughs could very easily occur on the AT side, and the "Southwest has never furloughed" statement would still be true - in their eyes.

 

[Bake]

My timeframe is only impossible in your eyes. I will start with your employee number. I don't care and don't need to verify you, it doesnt matter. Next para.... There is a timeline and you do know about it. It says, that all of you will be over here by Jan 2015.

It may not be right that people junior to you are getting here before you, but I'm not here to debate right and wrong.

60 days of training? I consider day one of training as across the partition. Maybe you don't but I believe when you get that SWA ID, you are across. 60 days???? who told you that crap.

SWA will not furlough unless the world is in a really bad way. See, Avengers, bad way.

 

[Bake]

I keep hearing folks say the time line is on track. Really? Lear has shown #'s to show it's not. If you don't believe him, and are somewhat decent at math, try some - you can't come up with a way to get all the AT folks over until late 2015 at the earliest.

If the SWA guys have an actual timeline for us to see, I'd love to look at it. SWAPA doesn't have one, nor does ALPA. If the company has one, they're not showing us. No one on the AT side has one, save for the original, and that still has 717 transitions, so we know its void.

"SWA has never furloughed"..., yeah I get that. But as many SWA guys state, the AT pilots are not real SWA pilots - yet. Furloughs could very easily occur on the AT side, and the "Southwest has never furloughed" statement would still be true - in their eyes.

I'm sorry, you guys are right. You will be stuck on your side of the partition from now on. You will never come over and you will be furloughed. Keep pounding the negativity guys, it does you and your family alot of good. I hear Sonic is hiring. People like drive ins this time of year. Best of luck.........

 

[dh82dvr]

Welcome across the partition dh82dvr!

Thanks. My liver hurts!

 

[Bake]

Now that's funny, so does mine.

 

[Britpilot]

My timeframe is only impossible in your eyes. I will start with your employee number. I don't care and don't need to verify you, it doesnt matter. Next para.... There is a timeline and you do know about it. It says, that all of you will be over here by Jan 2015.

It may not be right that people junior to you are getting here before you, but I'm not here to debate right and wrong.

60 days of training? I consider day one of training as across the partition. Maybe you don't but I believe when you get that SWA ID, you are across. 60 days???? who told you that crap.

SWA will not furlough unless the world is in a really bad way. See, Avengers, bad way.

That's what I keep telling you. We will not all be over by Jan 2015 it's impossible.
How many guys are getting across this year? About 100, that leaves 1650 of us to go.

The 60 days of training crap comes from your Training Dept. That is their time frame regardless of current equipment. Now crunch the numbers and tell me your time frame will work.

 

[Britpilot]

I'm sorry, you guys are right. You will be stuck on your side of the partition from now on. You will never come over and you will be furloughed. Keep pounding the negativity guys, it does you and your family alot of good. I hear Sonic is hiring. People like drive ins this time of year. Best of luck.........

Thanks we need it.

 

[Bake]

Hey dude, Like I said, I consider day one of training across the partition. I never said you would finish training by Jan 2015, I said you would start. Training is NOT 60 days. With your limited ability to read and understand I can see why you are scared.

 

[Bake]

Thanks we need it.

You need more than luck with those brain skills there Einstein.