So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[CaribPilot]

you are obviously doing something wrong....but you are apparently from the "me" generation that consistently blames everyone else for their lack of ability.....so, I hate PBS too! there! does that help?...lololol

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

I have not been doing anything wrong at all.

You don't even know how PBS works, yet you try to throw criticism. LOL @ how ignorant you look. You are probably the type to vote in a new contract or new bidding system without knowing anything about it, Because clearly your knowledge of PBS is absent.

 

[Speedtape]

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

Seniority always matters and is not useless unless you are the most junior pilot. Only then might seniority be useless. Even most pilots who are awarded Reserve, can still use seniority to bid their GDOs and on-call periods.

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Seniority always matters and governs most things we do in this profession.

 

[CaribPilot]

Seniority always matters and governs most things we do in this profession.

O really...then explain how someone many years junior is awarded a line.

Yes i know how PBS works....i couldn't be awarded enough pairings to get into the minimum line value...but the guys junior to me could because they had pre-assigned credits...where's my seniority in that case?

 

[Freebrd]

lol give it up dude, admit it, you don't know what you're doing.

 

[Clutch]

O really...then explain how someone many years junior is awarded a line.

Yes i know how PBS works....i couldn't be awarded enough pairings to get into the minimum line value...but the guys junior to me could because they had pre-assigned credits...where's my seniority in that case?

Many years? Stop exaggerating

 

[CaribPilot]

lol give it up dude, admit it, you don't know what you're doing.

Nope, you are just not intelligent enough to see what really is happening. Reserves and junior folk continue to get thrown underneath the bus at this company, and ignorant pilots like you make it worse.

Many years? Stop exaggerating

3 years is not many? I know captains where guys 5 years junior are getting lines before them.

But that is beside the point, seniority being tossed aside is the problem.

 

[CaribPilot]

Its truly amazing how many of our pilots are completely ignorant of how PBS awards pairings. Punch yourselves in the face.

 

[Freebrd]

I'm happy with the way I bid, and usually get most of what I bid, but it appears that you're the ignorant one, or else you're doing a GL/Oys on here just to get a rise

 

[CaribPilot]

I'm happy with the way I bid, and usually get most of what I bid, but it appears that you're the ignorant one, or else you're doing a GL/Oys on here just to get a rise

Yea of course..I I I...me me me...Ignorant and selfish. Just because it works for YOU at YOUR seniority, DOES NOT MEAN IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

Have you not been reading anything anybody else has posted in here? Or you just come in here for laughs? If you read...you actually might learn something...reading is fundamental.

Other people have confirmed what i said...that this is what happens when PBS starts awarding reserve. Go look at the awards and report back here what you find. You will see that the last few people to get a line are staggered. You will find a few people with reserve then one with a line, and that pattern repeated.

With line bidding i was able to predict exactly what line i would get...with PBS i cannot because at the break even point between lines and reserve...it awards pilots lines based on pre-assigned credit & how easy it is to get that said pilot into the minimum credit window...it is not based on seniority.

 

[bigshooter107]

PBS builds schedules based on how easy it is to combine pairings up to the minimum threshold credit, rendering seniority useless near where PBS starts awarding reserve.

I have not been doing anything wrong at all.

You don't even know how PBS works, yet you try to throw criticism. LOL @ how ignorant you look. You are probably the type to vote in a new contract or new bidding system without knowing anything about it, Because clearly your knowledge of PBS is absent.

If there are enough pairings left to build u a line, PBS will do so. If not the system will move to the next pilot with pre existing credit an attempt to build them a schedule. It will not take a full "line" of pairings from u and build a schedule for a guy with vacation or training. Do u want the system to skip the junior guy to u that has credits on principle? If u are on the cusp of getting a schedule every month u would be father away from a line without PBS, I think everyone would agree there are more"schedules" in a month with PBS. If u find that some how a junior guy got enough pairings to build a full legal schedule then either u bid wrong, or there was an error that u need to bring to apla. Most months there are block of "open" pairings in certain weeks that prevent a full schedule to be built. For example 5 pairings on the 2nd week and the 4th week. That's when the pre assigned credit "lines" are built. Call one of the guys that build the PBS schedules every month and I'm sure they would be happy for u to sit in on a day toward the end of the bid period and see how things work, they do a great job and it's kinda of neat to check out.

 

[CaribPilot]

If there are enough pairings left to build u a line, PBS will do so. If not the system will move to the next pilot with pre existing credit in an attempt to build them a schedule.

This is exactly what happens folks. Pre-existing credits trump seniority at a certain point in PBS. Enjoy!

 

[777forever]

I dont have any problem with the "lucky lineholder" system in PBS. I dont consider it trumping seniority just because someone junior with pre assigned credits gets a line. At least it gives reserves a break couple times a year when you have pre assigned credits.

Now a CAL style globalized PBS system, thats what I call trumping seniority

 

[bigshooter107]

This is exactly what happens folks. Pre-existing credits trump seniority at a certain point in PBS. Enjoy!

How can u say that, the computer reaches a certain point where it does not have enough pairings to complete a full schedule then moves on. How can u say that does not honor senority , it awards everything in senority order. What don't u understand, or please explain how this does not honor senority.

 

[bigshooter107]

PBS is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with "lucky" line holders or reserves . Use every avaible pairing to complete as many schedules as it can. That is what makes the system efficient for the company. Less reserves, less opentime to cover. 777 is right about a nice break from reserve as well, and it DOES NOT COME AT THE EXPENSE of a SENIOR LINE HOLDER!

 

[CaribPilot]

So a guy with pre-assigned credits should get a line before someone senior to him, just because PBS can build him a schedule easier. Ok got it...and Ive explained this also...we don't need another explanation.

Why not award the more senior guy a partial line? I've seen junior guys with vacation get awarded lines with credit lower than the min credit window...why not do that for the more senior person?

One simple question leaving how Prefbid works aside....

How is someone junior to me getting a line honoring seniority?

Lets look at the definition of seniority..

Seniority - priority, precedence, or status obtained as the result of a person's length of service, as in a profession, trade, company, or union: First choice of schedules will be given to employees with seniority.

Someone junior to me getting a line that I prefer to have is NOT seniority.