So ASA's PBS Couldn't Build Me A Schedule...It Dumps Me On Reserve...WTF

[Freebrd]

...the first oppurtunity i get to go somewhere else that is desirable...I'm gone.

what's your number, do I get to move up one?

 

[CaribPilot]

Gooooooo Surejet!

 

[CaribPilot]

You guys sit back and watch the mass exodus that is gonna happen. Joke all want...but the day is coming for hundreds of pilots that are gonna leave without giving one fart of consideration for this company.

Management is scared...check the agreements they are beginning to sign with flight schools. Karma is a beech...watch and see. They are not going to be able to fill new hire classes.

 

[Freebrd]

when did you say you're leaving, wanna know where I stand for bidding ya know

 

[ohplease!]

So how the hell am i supposed to have a life if my schedule is COMPLETELY unpredictable?

Guys junior to me continue to get lines while i get dumped on reserve...and i am 2 years senior to them in some cases. O Joy!

Seniority anybody? I guess it means NOTHING in this case. All you butt-tards with the "Maybe you didnt do something right" talk....GTFOH. Serious flaw in the system here.

You best believe...the first oppurtunity i get to go somewhere else that is desirable...I'm gone.

you are obviously doing something wrong....but you are apparently from the "me" generation that consistently blames everyone else for their lack of ability.....so, I hate PBS too! there! does that help?...lololol

 

[Freebrd]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

 

[crazy8]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

 

[Freebrd]

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

true dat!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah....but at least they get paid well to deal with it.

How do you define "well"?

 

[wt219200]

How do you define "well"?

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

 

[Freebrd]

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

touche!

 

[JumpersAway]

hey if u leave and go to DAL or just about any other, guess what? Yep they have PBS too!

...........................and much better starting points within their CBA to deal with it, in terms of both the line holder AND reserve QOL.

 

[Speedtape]

I have TWO bid sheets...

The first one with 30 something preferences of fancy stuff that i want. The second one only has "Allow single days off", "Select all pairings before Reserve line etc"

And it STILL couldn't build me a line!!! WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

So it dumps me back to reserve...and awards 7 guys junior to me a line.

Somebody please tell me how the FORK this is fair? I'm so close to throwing my monitor out the damn window. :angryfire

What's your bidding seniority within your position? It's simple math, if you can't bid and be awarded enough credit to get into the window--then you go to Reserve. The pairings awarded to anyone below you, were first available to you! It sounds like you are on the bubble and maybe had no pre-assigned credits to subsidize an award. You have too much juniority!

 

[Speedtape]

Better than you ever will, with much more job security.

And that leaves you where?

 

[Speedtape]

Joe, The XJT pilots are cheaper per block hour than ASA because we are more efficient over here. It is not necessarily just because of our bidding system but our pairing building as well. You have restrictive contract language (ex: minimum amount of 3 day trips) that help restrict your productivity. Even with higher average W2s over at XJT, we cost the company less per flight than the pilots over at ASA. Perhaps ASA pilots need to become more productive to help the company get back to in the black? Depending on the language, PBS might actually increase our costs at XJT. I am not a huge fan of line bidding, so I am willing to vote for the right PBS system but lets not throw out BS about how XJT pilots are too expensive.

The number I heard was $45 an hour cheaper fyi and it did not come from anyone in ALPA.

The block hour costs are a little cheaper at XJet, not because of anything the pilots does differently or more of, but because of pairing length. Actually, the comparisons to date have included apples and oranges. If you compare 50 seater to 50 seater, the block hour costs are very close. The difference is stage length. The average stage length at ASA is about 1:15 minutes compared to something much larger at XJet. These scenarios are driven by the block hours that we are given from Delta versus Continental. Longer legs will drive block hour costs down. Neither of our groups have any control over that.

Pairing productivity is where it's at also. Soon, ASA pairings will be built with the same software as XJet. This will only help close the gap, but with the leg lengths being longer at XJet, there will still be some disparity.