AMR Proposal Highlights

[Iflyamouse]

Still want to be a legacy airline pilot?

Pay banding (pay based on group size, not individual aircraft)

CA pay on 88 seat (Group I, 88-118 seats) aircraft is the same as MD80 (Group III, MD80/737-8) FO pay.

Pref Bid System
Eagle (or other commuter) gets everything up to 88 seats. Max number is greater of 255 or 1/2 of mainline fleet, Eagle isn't the only allowed commuter carrier

1.5% raise / year
Hotels = preference to airport hotel
Eliminate night pay / international override
Move recurrent training to distance learning, distance learning = 1/3 hourly rate
Bucket system for reserves

85 hour guarantee for reserves
Reserves get no fatigue protection (I assume on first call-out)

Max vacation = 35 days
Supplement CC: get rid of STL staffing requirement, TWA pilots stay in the same spot on the sen list as they're currently at.

No furlough protection

Profit sharing (no details)
Employees pay 23% of healthcare costs, 3 plans to choose from
Pension = gone for new pilots, some benefits remain for those currently vested.
13.5% contribution to defined benefit plan.

 

[On Your Six]

Here it is supposedly for everyone, from another website

Click here: http://www.restructuringamr.com/documents/APA%20Term%20Sheet%20Source%20Document_v10_FINAL_CLEAN.pdf



Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[humveedriver]

There was a time American flew 86 seat Fokkers and had 117 seat 717's from TWA. Too bad Skywest or Republic will be able to purchase (or modify current) 86 seat RJ's and do this flying for American now. It's like watching the Poles melt into the ocean.

 

[rudder]

There was a time American flew 86 seat Fokkers and had 117 seat 717's from TWA.

Yes, 2 hugely successful commercial airliners.....not.

The biggest mistake in the restructuring would be to allow the same a$$clowns that made those type of fleet decisions to be responsible for developing the new strategic plan.

 

[redflyer65]

Talk about being asked to bend over.

RF

 

[PCL_128]

No line holder monthly guarantee? Sick time at 60% if more than two events per year? Up to 88 seats outsourced? They must be joking. Tell them to %&*^ off.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

It may be better to end the company than to let the 88 seater get into the hands of the teenagers...just sayin.

 

[brokedash]

This is AA dream proposal pitch, now APA has a chance to stand firm and hit this thing out of the ballpark. That won't look good on the pitcher.

 

[doylehargraves]

I saw the new proposed pay scale and thought, "Wow, that's pretty damn good." Then, I knew something had to be wrong because, it was too good to be true and, as I looked closer at the title of the scale it said, '12 year scale'. YUCK.

 

[begsby]

Man O Man, talk about ruining an industry!!

 

[waveflyer]

No line holder monthly guarantee? Sick time at 60% if more than two events per year? Up to 88 seats outsourced? They must be joking. Tell them to %&*^ off.

PCL- how much more could I agree? An enormous +1! ******************** off AA. What an embarrassment to the name.

If they "need" this, it's already over. I've never seen a proposal so worthy of "full pay to the last day"- except they've already had you at 65% pay for 8 years now.

 

[waveflyer]

it may be better to end the company than to let the 88 seater get into the hands of the teenagers...just sayin.

+1111

 

[shon7]

It may be better to end the company than to let the 88 seater get into the hands of the teenagers...just sayin.

Its gonna be ugly and while this carries on the already poor service will deteriorate further and passengers will continue to migrate to other carriers which will drive down revenues further.

 

[JumpersAway]

This is going to be an interesting one to watch. AA pilots are already ticked off and looking for a higher pay rate.

 

[Question4U]

Man O Man, talk about ruining an industry!!

No, US Airways has already done that.

 

[tzskipper]

Show of solidarity

Just a thought...

As other pilot groups pressure the AA pilots to "draw a line in the sand" and maintain "full pay to the last day" in light of the company openers, I think now would be a good time for all MEC's and/or BOD (Swapa) to begin the process of working with their respective managements in drafting agreements offering preferential interviews/hiring for the AA pilot group.

This is where the rubber meets the road in the need to support each other when a group is under attack.

Btw, I believe the company is obviously setting the stage for a down and dirty negotiation. We have just seen what is behind door number one. Door number two will be the results of direct negotiations which will produce a document which is less painful than door number one. The company will then give the pilot group a choice; ratify door number two, or risk a successful 1113 petition by the company which implements door number one.

The next question that may be considered is the "right" of the pilot group to participate in "self help" should contractual changes be imposed unilaterally by the court. Most likely the judge would issue an injunction (subject to appeal), forcing employees back to work.

Some history from Congressional testimony:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...gvmKDw&usg=AFQjCNHv7BVGl8_559632VODShqENlBykQ

S

 

[ALGFLYR]

Is the pay that bad? What am I missing?

Currently AA does not have any aircraft on property that would be classified as group I or II... So this just puts a rate in place if they get some. They have Airbus aircraft on order, and any 319's would be group II.

It appears that there is no pay reduction for any aircraft currently on the property. (Granted, there are losses in other areas - but does anyone really think the pilots could get through the BK process without any losses?)

Group I CA would pay 119/hr top of scale. Group II CA would pay 139 TOS... That's still better than what US Air or United pays...

 

[Whine Lover]

" That's still better than what US Air or United pays..."

So, it's better to only be pissed upon... that shat upon.

Right?

 

[ackattacker]

Is the pay that bad? What am I missing?

Currently AA does not have any aircraft on property that would be classified as group I or II... So this just puts a rate in place if they get some. They have Airbus aircraft on order, and any 319's would be group II.

It appears that there is no pay reduction for any aircraft currently on the property. (Granted, there are losses in other areas - but does anyone really think the pilots could get through the BK process without any losses?)

Group I CA would pay 119/hr top of scale. Group II CA would pay 139 TOS... That's still better than what US Air or United pays...

They are setting the stage to be just like US Airways, where 99 seaters (E190's) are paid very low and everything smaller is flown by regional partners (CRJ900's etc). Perhaps this proposal is supposed to start lining things up to make a merger go more smoothly? If they did merge with somebody else (B6, LCC, DAL) they would suddenly acquire a lot of regional feed above 50 seats. When United and Continental merged the differences in scope was a major bone of contention.

 

[HalinTexas]

Just a thought...

As other pilot groups pressure the AA pilots to "draw a line in the sand" and maintain "full pay to the last day" in light of the company openers, I think now would be a good time for all MEC's and/or BOD (Swapa) to begin the process of working with their respective managements in drafting agreements offering preferential interviews/hiring for the AA pilot group.

This is where the rubber meets the road in the need to support each other when a group is under attack.

Btw, I believe the company is obviously setting the stage for a down and dirty negotiation. We have just seen what is behind door number one. Door number two will be the results of direct negotiations which will produce a document which is less painful than door number one. The company will then give the pilot group a choice; ratify door number two, or risk a successful 1113 petition by the company which implements door number one.

The next question that may be considered is the "right" of the pilot group to participate in "self help" should contractual changes be imposed unilaterally by the court. Most likely the judge would issue an injunction (subject to appeal), forcing employees back to work.

Some history from Congressional testimony:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...gvmKDw&usg=AFQjCNHv7BVGl8_559632VODShqENlBykQ

S

Ditto.

Remember, this is an opener, and most likely what they would seek with an 1113(c). They have to show good faith negotiating effort and the APA would have to show little faith effort to get that from the judge.

Hold fast to scope.

The pensions are most likely history. The key is how much the Co. is going to have to pay, and how much of that comes out of the concessionary agreement forthcoming.