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ERJ145 Captains (Upgrade to the EMB190) - PAID FOR BY THE AIRLINE


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[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I don't think anyone is "unhappy with the buyout". I'm glad that SkyWest, a company with cash in the bank and some of the smartest businessmen in management at our level in the industry in charge at SKYW. I would say a lot of guys are very unhappy with ASA pilots low expectations for our next contract. The "we don't wanna hurt the company crowd". None us want to hurt the company! But you get the most you possibly can in contract negotiations. If the company can't afford it, I guarantee you they won't approve of it! None of us are voting yes to an overall package we see as a step backwards, I can tell you that much.

 

[Flyer1015]

If you are so unhappy with ASA buying your airline here is an option to happiness!



ERJ145 Captains (Upgrade to the EMB190) - PAID FOR BY THE AIRLINE


* Upgrade from the ERJ145 to the EMB190 aircraft - PAID FOR BY THE AIRLINE
* EMB190 Captains are also required
* Compensation: $152,000 USD/year + Overtime

Reply to this email with:

Your Full Name: ___________________

Phone No.: (including country code) ___________________

Your ERJ PIC flight time: ___________________


If you know of any ERJ145 or EMB190 Captains that would like either of these opportunities, please forward this email to them or have them contact us at jobs@vorholdings.com. We need your help!

Do they want my bank account number as well? I'm not buying this. Doesn't pass the sniff test.

 

[dojetdriver]

www., is it TRUE that you have multiple usernames on Flightinfo?

 

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I don't think anyone is "unhappy with the buyout". I'm glad that SkyWest, a company with cash in the bank and some of the smartest businessmen in management at our level in the industry in charge at SKYW. I would say a lot of guys are very unhappy with ASA pilots low expectations for our next contract. The "we don't wanna hurt the company crowd". None us want to hurt the company! But you get the most you possibly can in contract negotiations. If the company can't afford it, I guarantee you they won't approve of it! None of us are voting yes to an overall package we see as a step backwards, I can tell you that much.

You see it as "low expectations" when we have more MOUs and LOAs showing we have the ability to work with the management. As for the "hurt the company crowd", it has to do with thinking in a different mind set. This industry, at our level of service, is not the same as it was 10 years + ago. The market will only allow a 50 seat capt. to make so much an hour. So you find value in other ways. Find soft money.

I guess you haven't learned......never say never. I think you've been at this crossroad before.

 

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www., is it TRUE that you have multiple usernames on Flightinfo?

Yeah...right. I have about 30 different names. This is peggy can I help you?

 

[COOPERVANE]

Hello Peggy can I talk to a supervisor?

 

[Knob]

Transfer!

 

[NEDude]

Do they want my bank account number as well? I'm not buying this. Doesn't pass the sniff test.

Yes it is legit - through a contract agency that specializes in China contracts.

Can't talk specifically to this contract, but I have several friends who have flown, or are currently flying in China. Most report that pay is as good as promised and arrives on the promised date. Cost of living varies based on where in China you live, but overall runs lower than you will see here in the USA. The stress comes from dealing with China airspace issues and FOs who don't speak English and have limited flight time.

But China is where the money is for right now, and the foreseeable future.

 

[shamrock]

You see it as "low expectations" when we have more MOUs and LOAs showing we have the ability to work with the management.

Depending on your point of view the definition of "work(ing) with the management" can vary anywhere between being "beneficial" to being "bent over".

 

[paid4training]

Xjt pilots did hurt the company trying to get all they could outta Jim ream back a few years ago and look at where they are now.

 

[say again]

The stress comes from dealing with China airspace issues and FOs who don't speak English and have limited flight time.

But China is where the money is for right now, and the foreseeable future.

Is that really worth the money? Sounds outright dangerous.

 

[cybourg10]

Xjt pilots did hurt the company trying to get all they could outta Jim ream back a few years ago and look at where they are now.

Ya look at us and how pathetic we are. Upgrading and hiring at our fastest pace possible with YOY growth in block hours 3 years in a row now (soon to be 4).

If only we were "cost competitive" like you guys maybe we could lose aircraft and run displacement bids.

Nice flame.

 

[Nevets]

You see it as "low expectations" when we have more MOUs and LOAs showing we have the ability to work with the management.

I don't know, another point of view is that you have so many MOUs and LOAs because your contract has needed so much fixing. Did you guys MOU the ability to be reassigned via ACARS?

Xjt pilots did hurt the company trying to get all they could outta Jim ream back a few years ago and look at where they are now.

And where is it you think we are now?

 

[wingnutt]

Transfer!

Transfer!

 

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I don't know, another point of view is that you have so many MOUs and LOAs because your contract has needed so much fixing. Did you guys MOU the ability to be reassigned via ACARS?

And another POV is that your contract was sooo great that you priced yourself out of a job...... almost but someone came in at the last minute to rescue you?

 

[www.]

Transfer!

This is Peggy can I help you?

 

[Nevets]

And another POV is that your contract was sooo great that you priced yourself out of a job...... almost but someone came in at the last minute to rescue you?

That's true. Skywest/ASA were able to underbid us and we got stuck with the CPA they negotiated. Not much of a rescue when they were responsible for putting a whole below the waterline though.

 

[RT8VA]

The express jet pilot contract is a very small part of doing buisness, you guys need to look up Macro Economics some day. This sounds just like the argument that the United pilots contract put them in trouble, if that were true after two bankruptcies that gutted that contract the airline should have been immediately thriving which clearly did not happen. Bad management will always tell you it is because your contract is to blame and pilots always believe it. We truly are our own worst enemies.

 

[dojetdriver]

And another POV is that your contract was sooo great that you priced yourself out of a job...... almost but someone came in at the last minute to rescue you?

Nope, Speed...., I mean wwww., that's not really it.

You see, in 2008, somebody (SKW) broke it (XJT). Later, they (SKW) were allowed to buy it (XJT).

The express jet pilot contract is a very small part of doing buisness, you guys need to look up Macro Economics some day. This sounds just like the argument that the United pilots contract put them in trouble, if that were true after two bankruptcies that gutted that contract the airline should have been immediately thriving which clearly did not happen. Bad management will always tell you it is because your contract is to blame and pilots always believe it. We truly are our own worst enemies.

Good point, but remember that just like UAL in your example, most employees as well as lower level management took concessions. NOT just the pilots.