JB and AA to be announced on Wednesday.

[$$$4nothin]

Careful what you wish for... AMR doesnt play nice

No they don't.

They also have 6500 guys retireing over the next 10-15 years and have an order for how many airplanes. This would tip the NY and BOS markets back in AA's direction vs. the Delta direction. Not to mention AA would get the carribean back. Market share, cash, aircraft, experienced pilots with a lot of time left to work.

Just another internet rumor with a timely retirement thrown in the mix here guys.

Oh ya. The JB pilot group might be in a bit of trouble in a merger. Some more than others, but yes, maybe in a bit of trouble.

 

[DonVersteed]

No, there isn't any way any kind of merger/integration will turn out well for us, regardless of who it is with. That is part of the danger of having management write our integration language and management being our negotiating entity, but that is what 1193 pilots thought were just peachy!

But, back to the original statement, I have no problem with AMR buying us and whatever happens, happens!

Guys like you, and statements like the above, scared a good percentage of the no voters. Fatalistic B.S. thrown in with a know it all/everyone else is stupid or feeble kind of attitude makes you sound emotional and not worthy of listening to. Stop calling people stupid, maybe they thought you and the other over emotional "change everything types" weren't worthy enough to listen to. Management out classed us with the non union literature and comments like yours drove people right in to thier hands. You're fighting yourself and you don't realize it. So in the future shut the ##ck up and let guys logically run a union drive who don't emotionally attack everything.

 

[OurMoney1]

Let's be realistic guys...

Flightinfo posts and mergers equate to nothing, zip, elephant turds.

Your CFO probably got in a pissing match with the BOD or CEO over earnings and or book keeping ethics. Worse yet he may have been doing something illegal. Sounds like it was a bad departure based on the press release. Something bad most likely but nothing industry shattering.

Keep everything in perspective and dont get nutty.

 

[Dizel8]

Guys like you, and statements like the above, scared a good percentage of the no voters. Fatalistic B.S. thrown in with a know it all/everyone else is stupid or feeble kind of attitude makes you sound emotional and not worthy of listening to. Stop calling people stupid, maybe they thought you and the other over emotional "change everything types" weren't worthy enough to listen to. Management out classed us with the non union literature and comments like yours drove people right in to thier hands. You're fighting yourself and you don't realize it. So in the future shut the ##ck up and let guys logically run a union drive who don't emotionally attack everything.

I am sorry, I don't think I was emotional at all, as a matter of fact, why don't you point out what part is untrue in my statement. One could actually argue, that all the ill thought out logic and irrational emotion was coming from the anti CBA contingent. "The only thing ALPA can guarantee is a 2% paycut. They will take away FliCa and the Kew Shuttle. Our retirement is only 3% behind!" Nope, that wasn't illogical at all.

So, let's try this again? Without a CBA, who is our bargaining agent, who wrote the merger language, who will enforce an integration?

As for your last sentence, I'll be nice and chalk it up to stress or adult beverages!

 

[General Lee]

No they don't.

They also have 6500 guys retireing over the next 10-15 years and have an order for how many airplanes. This would tip the NY and BOS markets back in AA's direction vs. the Delta direction. Not to mention AA would get the carribean back. Market share, cash, aircraft, experienced pilots with a lot of time left to work.

Just another internet rumor with a timely retirement thrown in the mix here guys.

Oh ya. The JB pilot group might be in a bit of trouble in a merger. Some more than others, but yes, maybe in a bit of trouble.

Tip NYC in AA's direction? Ummmmm, maybe not. DL has 50% of LGA now, and JB doesn't have that many LGA slots. AA would gain a lot at JFK, but what would happen to AA's large new terminal at JFK? It isn't even close to the JB terminal. Would they sell that one?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[$$$4nothin]

Tip NYC in AA's direction? Ummmmm, maybe not. DL has 50% of LGA now, and JB doesn't have that many LGA slots. AA would gain a lot at JFK, but what would happen to AA's large new terminal at JFK? It isn't even close to the JB terminal. Would they sell that one?


Bye Bye---General Lee

\

No clue man. Delta makes Pax walk from terminal 1 to the MAT in LGA. Seems to work out for them. Yes I was reffering more so to the market share in JFK, but it wouldn't hurt AA's market share in LGA. Every little bit helps.

 

[Flyby1206]

You have no Idea what you are wishing for, there is no way that it could turn out well for you guys

Yea, the last AA merger resulted in decade long furloughs... hmm

 

[$$$4nothin]

Yea, the last AA merger resulted in decade long furloughs... hmm

This is very true, but the pilot need at AA is a bit different now. Don't worry man this is just another FI rumor with a very timely retirement thrown in the mix.

 

[RiddleEagle18]

This wasnt a retirement. There is more to this. They usually throw in a resigning to spend more time with family or something like that. This was an unexpected/sudden move. Wether it has to do with AA or not is a different story.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

The chatter is rather interesting to say the least

 

[Dizel8]

I agree, it was quick and we didn't even get the usual "to spend more time with the family or to pursue other options!"

 

[Otto77]

I think he left to go join the Wall St Occupation

 

[Thebadcat1313]

TWA received a 52% staple. The subsequent furloughs were in relation to 9-11. The Jetblue PEA states, and references M/B-A/M, that a majority will not be added to the bottom of another list. So while many complain about the TWA/AA merger without knowing the actual percentages the Jetblue PEA does very little to protect you any more.

The Jetblue pilots voted for this level, or lack of, protection.

It was actually closer to 56%, but then they also ratioed the rest from the BOTTOM up. Of those who were ratioed in, only about 30% are still on the property, so that was basically a no-cost item to the APA. You can try to spin it any way you want, but the AA/TWA integration remains the most lopsided and inequitable in the history of this industry.

 

[airbaker]

Maybe this has to do with the impending 3A ruling? The requisite ELT departure would be necessary if it's ruled in the pilots' favor, and after news gets out to shareholders that it's going to cost the company 50+ million dollars.

 

[FNG320]

Guys like you, and statements like the above, scared a good percentage of the no voters. Fatalistic B.S. thrown in with a know it all/everyone else is stupid or feeble kind of attitude makes you sound emotional and not worthy of listening to. Stop calling people stupid, maybe they thought you and the other over emotional "change everything types" weren't worthy enough to listen to. Management out classed us with the non union literature and comments like yours drove people right in to thier hands. You're fighting yourself and you don't realize it. So in the future shut the ##ck up and let guys logically run a union drive who don't emotionally attack everything.

"Stupid is as Stupid does" !!!!

The 1193 pilots who voted NO to ALPA in Jul/Aug will be eating thier words/votes and kicking themselves in the @ss if AA/JBLU merge (cause it won't be good for the JetBlue pilots). Having ALPA/any union as our rep would be better than letting JetBlue management represent the pilot in a SLI integration or McCaskill/Bond arbitration.

Again,

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!!!

Just my opinion......

FNG

 

[Whataburger]

During the conference call.

So I hear from a little bird in my pocket.

My bird speaks Spanish and I don't.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

My bird speaks Spanish and I don't.

Your bird spends enough time with a Spanish speaking person to learn it hum? I wouldn't worry too much about your last kid looking more like the gardener than you

 

[AA717driver]

Three-way with USAir.

Discuss.


:bomb:

TC

 

[Flopgut]

You can try to spin it any way you want, but the AA/TWA integration remains the most lopsided and inequitable in the history of this industry.

It was bad. Very bad. But FAL and UAL back in the day was worse and it was ALPA to ALPA. That's way back and doesn't diminish what happened to TWA. I'm just making a point. On a positive note: JB pilots should examine what the New York Air pilots were able to accomplish with Lorenzo and CAL. NYA had no union. They lawyered up with the best counsel possible and the SLI they accomplished was incredible.

I don't know if this happens today or not, but one day JB will have to probably deal with it.

 

[Flopgut]

Three-way with USAir.

Discuss.


:bomb:

TC

Get the same lawyer NYA had and JB goes senior to 50% of all of them.....