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densoo said:
This may be the latest in merger strategies.

UAL and CAL are merging and now CAL is hiring UAL furloughed pilots, 180 of them. Cheaper labor costs, even with the higher UAL payrates that these pilots keep. A dozen UAL 75s going away, CAL getting 19 new 737s next year.

AA merges with US Air and starts to shift flying over them. Another end run around RLA.
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I normally agree with your posts, and while I do not disagree with this one, I don't understand it. Can you elaborate on the cheaper labor cost and end run on the RLA comment? I'm sure you have a good point, I'm just not getting it....
 
Lake Alice said:
As per M/B which references A/M 50% of the pilot group may be stapled to the bottom of the list. The other 50% are theoretically added fairly. What is fair?
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That would be the CAL/PeoplExpress model...Capts get DoH, F/Os get stapled.
 
Fubijaakr said:
That would be the CAL/PeoplExpress model...Capts get DoH, F/Os get stapled.
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If everyone at JB got DOH then that would still be a staple. AA hasn't hired since 9/11
 
Dumb Pilot said:
It worked out so well for the TWA guys and gals!
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TWA received a 52% staple. The subsequent furloughs were in relation to 9-11. The Jetblue PEA states, and references M/B-A/M, that a majority will not be added to the bottom of another list. So while many complain about the TWA/AA merger without knowing the actual percentages the Jetblue PEA does very little to protect you any more.

The Jetblue pilots voted for this level, or lack of, protection.
 
Lake Alice said:
That's where I draw the line. If I'm at metro and lefferts I'm eating at Tu Casa.
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Lake Alice said:
TWA received a 52% staple. The subsequent furloughs were in relation to 9-11. The Jetblue PEA states, and references M/B-A/M, that a majority will not be added to the bottom of another list. So while many complain about the TWA/AA merger without knowing the actual percentages the Jetblue PEA does very little to protect you any more.

The Jetblue pilots voted for this level, or lack of, protection.
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Doesn't matter. The very best that the JB ppl could hope for is for the 320 cas and fos to be merged in with the AA 737 and md80 cas and fos. The 190 ppl would all be stapled. That would fit in with the "career expectations" model.

A 50% staple is Gonna happen, like it or not. The APA won't accept anything less.

Still won't matter much. More than 70% of the AA pilot group gone in 12 years to retirement. No matter what happens, Jr guys are gonna make out better than dr guys, even if there is a furlough.
 
"If everyone at JB got DOH then that would still be a staple. AA hasn't hired since 9/11"

This should be the number 1 reason why JetBlue guys wouldn't accept/tolerate a merger. I'd stand to some how, miraculously become more senior on furlough, but hell, it still wouldn't be worth going back for.

My personal hope is for AA to declre bankruptcy (as they will), freeze the pensions and kick the new year off with a better business plan. Start by giving the pilots (and other unions) a small raise (32%), freeze management bonuses and offer a nie TWA-style DAP.

One can dream...until then, I watch from the sidelines and hope my JetbLue bretheren don't get sucked into this hole.
 
sligo1 said:
More fuel for the fire. J.B. C.F.O. suddenley resigns. Hmmm
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Yep, something's up. Ed just resigned (effective immediately), 5 documents were rushed to completion, recalls on the AA side stopped last month, etc...

I'm going to end up being senior to myself, one way or the other!
 
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Oct. 18, 2011, 5:30 p.m. EDT
JetBlue Announces CFO Leadership Change

NEW YORK, Oct. 18, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- JetBlue Airways /quotes/zigman/87304/quotes/nls/jblu JBLU -2.38% today announces the resignation of Ed Barnes, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Barnes joined JetBlue in 2006 as Vice President, Cost Management and Financial Analysis, and was promoted to CFO in 2008. Mark Powers, Treasurer, will serve the company as CFO effective immediately for an interim period as the company conducts a search for a new CFO. Mr. Powers joined JetBlue in 2006 as Treasurer and Vice President Corporate Finance. He was promoted to Senior Vice President Treasurer in 2007.
 
Dizel8 said:
Neither does this place, only the very feeble minded believe they do!
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Whatever you do, please, please just go to arbitration for the SLI if this happens at all. Or, you can hire some ex SWA leaders to come in and try to bully other groups around. And get some more pay raises while you're at it. We would all like you guys to go as high as possible. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Dumb Pilot said:
You have no Idea what you are wishing for, there is no way that it could turn out well for you guys
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No, there isn't any way any kind of merger/integration will turn out well for us, regardless of who it is with. That is part of the danger of having management write our integration language and management being our negotiating entity, but that is what 1193 pilots thought were just peachy!

But, back to the original statement, I have no problem with AMR buying us and whatever happens, happens!
 

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