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[jtf]

Kid D, do you believe 18 day pay for 7&7 is realistic? I think that would be reasonable, but that would be a 20 percent raise. I'd probably accept that unless they try to take it out of other places.

 

[CA1900]

Kid D, do you believe 18 day pay for 7&7 is realistic? I think that would be reasonable, but that would be a 20 percent raise. I'd probably accept that unless they try to take it out of other places.

I certainly see it as realistic (as a minimum). It's an 18% raise, more than half of which has already been eaten up in inflation since the contract was signed in 2007.

 

[gunfyter]

I certainly see it as realistic (as a minimum). It's an 18% raise, more than half of which has already been eaten up in inflation since the contract was signed in 2007.

This is true ... and we have 5 more years of inflation till 2016.

 

[G4dude]

Historically the compensation at the other large fracs has followed the NJA pilot payraises fairly closely.

True, but now that pilot pay is in the reasonable range, I don't think our competitors will follow our lead. And they will still be able to staff with good pilots. In this scenario, our competitors will have an advantage in operating cost, with no pilot proficiency disadvantage. Not good for NJA. To me, the most chilling words I can read about my employer is "industry leading contract." As the survivor of 11 layoffs, I am worried long term about NJA.

 

[imacdog]

Fantastic, looking forward to you voluntarily taking a pay cut to help the company out.

 

[KiddDynomite]

It's absolutely realistic when you see the efficiencies of a single schedule. This company has never truly tried to maximize efficiency. How many times does a 7/7 guy go out with a 18-day or 15-day guy and mid tour there's an airline and a plane ends up sitting because of lack of crew. Start and stop together. The airline savings alone would be enormours because the company could better predict our travel patterns and work better deals with the airlines. Crew scheduling would be vastly improved because then you can actually have a realisitic fatigue program and have morning, afternoon, night crews and fewer backup crews needed. As G4dude said we're in the pay range now it's time to shuffle the shells. One other thing, 7/7 for all would mean better vacation scheduling. I personally want to see quarterly bidding with concurrent vacation bidding. I'm tired of trying to plan a year out. I think it's all reasonable and affordable. It's about effiency.

jtf, I forgot to mention and really answer your question. Back in '05 there was talk of a single schedule and the 18 pay figure being the number. The company pushed for 3 different schedules hoping that they can get more guys on the 18 day and maximize crew days. Their hope was more guys on the 18 day meant fewer pilots to hire. Even though it was 20% more pay the cost saving between health benefits and 401K with fewer pilots are enormous. The problem is the operational ineffieciences actually wipe them out, that's why I think it's completely reasonable.

 

[G4dude]

Fantastic, looking forward to you voluntarily taking a pay cut to help the company out.

How childish. By the way, I DID offer to take a pay cut, to minimize the furloughs. Management said it wouldn't help, because we were simply overstaffed.

 

[imacdog]

It's not childish. Either you think getting paid more than other fractionals hurts the business or you don't. Are you going to offer to not take your next yearly pay increase to help out the business? I didn't think so.

 

[G4dude]

It's not childish. Either you think getting paid more than other fractionals hurts the business or you don't. Are you going to offer to not take your next yearly pay increase to help out the business? I didn't think so.

That's what I am offering.

 

[imacdog]

I'd be careful about that if I were you. What may amount to a nice little bump in your (and everyone's yearly) pay is a pittance compared with some of the blunders that management has made. Be proud of the services you offer as an experienced professional.

 

[rajflyboy]

True, but now that pilot pay is in the reasonable range, I don't think our competitors will follow our lead. And they will still be able to staff with good pilots. In this scenario, our competitors will have an advantage in operating cost, with no pilot proficiency disadvantage. Not good for NJA. To me, the most chilling words I can read about my employer is "industry leading contract." As the survivor of 11 layoffs, I am worried long term about NJA.

Seat Filler

 

[rajflyboy]

All you disgruntled FO's crack me up. I want to know how many of you used to turn your noses up at us because you were "airline" pilots and above us seatbelt folders? Guys like Raj and myself laid our junk on the line to get a good contract and then you weenies decide to come over with nothing invested. Now you have the gall to complain that you need raises and career wages. Here's some food for thought; first NJA was never concieved to be a career, times changed and we made it one. Guess what times changed again and the money is no longer out there. This company is in shrink mode and EJM is growing. Do you guys think you're going to get more when the company can shift flying over there? We're going to be lucky to keep what we have. I for one will stand my ground and never take a concession but I can sure bet there won't be much of a raise if any. Get a grip and read the writing on the wall!

Ditto

 

[rajflyboy]

I think compensation is about as high as it will ever get. Any higher, and competitors will be able to staff with equally qualified pilots at dramatically lower compensation levels, rendering NJA uncompetitive in the marketplace. Like Delta and Airtran.

Thats very true for the G Wiz.

 

[G4dude]

I'd be careful about that if I were you. What may amount to a nice little bump in your (and everyone's yearly) pay is a pittance compared with some of the blunders that management has made. Be proud of the services you offer as an experienced professional.

I am proud, I just want my company to stay in business until I retire.

 

[G4dude]

I'd be careful about that if I were you. What may amount to a nice little bump in your (and everyone's yearly) pay is a pittance compared with some of the blunders that management has made. Be proud of the services you offer as an experienced professional.

I must say, this is typical union class warfare nonsense.