Next Pinnacle realignment.

[bri5150]

Sounds like it will be out on 9/22. It also sounds like it may cover the rest of the Saabs going away. It makes sense to do it this way. I was surprised they couldn't get a deal done to get the last one done this way. Anyways, good luck to all pilots under the Pinnacle umbrella. It's time to pull off the band-aid and figure where we will all end up.

 

[altimaklr]

9E and 9L will finally be correctly staffed and maybe overstaffed for 6 months but this is motivating people to leave asap and it'll quickly go back to normal, except perhaps MSP/MEM captains who will all be ancient dinosaurs.

 

[Flyer1015]

Sounds like it will be out on 9/22. It also sounds like it may cover the rest of the Saabs going away. It makes sense to do it this way. I was surprised they couldn't get a deal done to get the last one done this way. Anyways, good luck to all pilots under the Pinnacle umbrella. It's time to pull off the band-aid and figure where we will all end up.

I can tell you where we will end up. Overall total at the company, Pinnacle will have 541 Captains on the CRJ-200 and 95 Captains on the CRJ-200. Every other Pinnacle pilot will be a FO. If you though the 14 displacements from CA/FO were bad, you ain't seen nothin yet!

 

[bri5150]

I can tell you where we will end up. Overall total at the company, Pinnacle will have 541 Captains on the CRJ-200 and 95 Captains on the CRJ-200. Every other Pinnacle pilot will be a FO. If you though the 14 displacements from CA/FO were bad, you ain't seen nothin yet!

We are all Pinnacle pilots.

 

[higney85]

We are all Pinnacle pilots.

While I agree, I think things may come out looking a but lopsided in terms of seniority numbers due to the quotas and restrictions. It will be a tough pill to swallow for 9E pilots being kicked out of our original left seats.

 

[Smarta$$]

I can tell you where we will end up. Overall total at the company, Pinnacle will have 541 Captains on the CRJ-200 and 95 Captains on the CRJ-200. Every other Pinnacle pilot will be a FO. If you though the 14 displacements from CA/FO were bad, you ain't seen nothin yet!

Yeah! We know! You have said that, many, many, many times.

Continuing to say it does nothing, and contributes nothing. It is a waste of bandwidth and time. Most of us are just SICK and tired of hearing about it.

If you have something new and useful to say, by all means. Otherwise...

 

[Smarta$$]

While I agree, I think things may come out looking a but lopsided in terms of seniority numbers due to the quotas and restrictions. It will be a tough pill to swallow for 9E pilots being kicked out of our original left seats.

Of course it will be a tough pill. The lesson for many, is that the path 9E pilots and leadership chose, ultimatetly, did not work, and therefore, it was the wrong path (wrong approach).

I hope it gets better for all involved sooner rather than later.

 

[Flyer1015]

We are all Pinnacle pilots.

True. Correction to my original post above: "...pre-merger Pinnacle pilots..."

Yeah! We know! You have said that, many, many, many times.

Continuing to say it does nothing, and contributes nothing. It is a waste of bandwidth and time. Most of us are just SICK and tired of hearing about it.

If you have something new and useful to say, by all means. Otherwise...

I was going to say:

The lesson for many, is that the path 9E pilots and leadership chose, ultimatetly, did not work, and therefore, it was the wrong path (wrong approach).

I hope it gets better for all involved sooner rather than later.

But you summed it up pretty well.

Curious, smarta$$, are you at Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan, or have you moved on?

 

[xjhawk]

apparently some of places people are going are prone to hire pilots with little or no PIC Turbine-such as JetBlue. A former Mesaba guy even has said that the chief has said that they are hiring pilots with no PIC. Bad news for Mesaba/Pinnacle Jr captains, good news for the most,highly, so sad should have the world at their feet Pinnacle FO's...who seem to think they were screwed the most. get over it, there is talk that even the majors will skip over pilots with too much PIC-Fed EX even published that they do not want to hire pilots with more than like 3500 hours PIC.

 

[Inconceivable]

get over it, there is talk that even the majors will skip over pilots with too much PIC-Fed EX even published that they do not want to hire pilots with more than like 3500 hours PIC.

That's not really a good thing for FOs. If the current captains never leave there won't be any seats into which to upgrade and get the hours they need to leave themselves. Labor costs increase, fleet size contracts...Kit Darby and ATP tell high school kids that the coming pilot shortage is right around the corner...

 

[Raskal]

Time to bid back to 200 FO. I hope the schedules are as good as they say compared to the 900.

 

[Flyer1015]

apparently some of places people are going are prone to hire pilots with little or no PIC Turbine-such as JetBlue. A former Mesaba guy even has said that the chief has said that they are hiring pilots with no PIC. Bad news for Mesaba/Pinnacle Jr captains, good news for the most,highly, so sad should have the world at their feet Pinnacle FO's...who seem to think they were screwed the most. get over it, there is talk that even the majors will skip over pilots with too much PIC-Fed EX even published that they do not want to hire pilots with more than like 3500 hours PIC.

I heard it from a former recruiter, that anything higher than 3-4k TPIC time makes an individual have old habits that die hard. Something about training them to fit our mold was harder and more difficult. The ideal candidate for them has 1000-2500 TPIC time. In fact, up until recently, the majority of legacy newhires in the 2004-2007 time all fit that mold. Several thousand total time, but only 500-2500TPIC.


As for JetBlue, sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me when they take FOs. I know one JetBlue pilot, and I'm sure he's one of many, who is/are currently 1-4 years at JetBlue. My friend there is 32. He has mentioned that because he still has 30+ years left in his career, he HAS to try and get on with Delta, American, Fedex, or UPS. Now because he was already a RJ Captain and had about 2000TPIC, he will be qualified for all those jobs mentioned. But look at it from JetBlue's point of view. They don't want you here to just use them to get a type rating and bail out to a legacy. Certainly, in that regards, at least hiring a FO ensures that the FO is there to stick around at JetBlue. They don't have a 1000TPIC, and will not be bailing out to SWA, Fedex, or other legacies. Even though I'm in my 20s, if I get hired at Jetblue, I'd be just fine with that. Return me to the east coast and keep me there. I'd be content without wanting to move up. But, you have many guys at JetBlue who want to (and some already have) jump to Delta or other legacies. If I was a hiring manager at JetBlue, to ensure retention, I'd give preference to FOs with 3000-6000 total time and for TPIC time, 0 to less than 1000.

Ask yourself. If you were a JetBlue recruiter/HR person, wouldn't you do the same? I know I would!

 

[xjhawk]

agree

 

[bri5150]

Or you could make the airline a place that people would want to make a career. I guess that's just another way of thinking though.

 

[Flyer1015]

Or you could make the airline a place that people would want to make a career. I guess that's just another way of thinking though.

I believe JetBlue's compensation/benefit package is amongst the highest of any major/legacy carriers for the Airbus A320 family series. Add the fact that they don't lose 1.95% like the ALPA carriers do, so for those that make $150,000 then that is another savings of another 3 grand. If you make a 100k, then you save almost 2 grand. etc. etc.

 

[bri5150]

I believe JetBlue's compensation/benefit package is amongst the highest of any major/legacy carriers for the Airbus A320 family series. Add the fact that they don't lose 1.95% like the ALPA carriers do, so for those that make $150,000 then that is another savings of another 3 grand. If you make a 100k, then you save almost 2 grand. etc. etc.

You don't have to convince me. My app is in. I have over 1k PIC though.

 

[DTWFO]

Yeah! We know! You have said that, many, many, many times.

Continuing to say it does nothing, and contributes nothing. It is a waste of bandwidth and time. Most of us are just SICK and tired of hearing about it.

If you have something new and useful to say, by all means. Otherwise...

Are you working at Pinnacle again? Otherwise......

 

[Smarta$$]

Are you working at Pinnacle again? Otherwise......

Good luck trying to shut me up internet tough guy. It is to bad the truth hurts your fragile ego, but you are gonna hear it from me just the same.

 

[higney85]

Good luck trying to shut me up internet tough guy. It is to bad the truth hurts your fragile ego, but you are gonna hear it from me just the same.

There is a point to be made in the statement of "mind your own business".

 

[DTWFO]

Good luck trying to shut me up internet tough guy. It is to bad the truth hurts your fragile ego, but you are gonna hear it from me just the same.

Wow.... I'm not trying to shut you up. I'm trying to get you to MOVE ON. My ego has nothing to do with it. I'm simply pointing out that we have enough problems at this airline as it is. We don't need people that don't even work here anymore spouting opinions about policies/news that have no affect on them and intentionally "stirring the pot".

It baffles me how much you care about Pinnacle AFTER the fact. When I finally get out of here, the last thing I want to hear about or engage in conversation about is Pinnacle Airlines EVER again!!!!

 

[CptMurf]

Post on Smarta$$. You earned your opinion just as everyone else. Just remember things are changing... Hopefully for the better.

 

[bri5150]

I am pretty sure I will keep tabs on what is going on here after I leave. I will still have friends here and spent at least 6 years of my life here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you like it or not.

 

[Smarta$$]

There is a point to be made in the statement of "mind your own business".

I respect you Ken, but with the blood, sweat, holidays and family events that I gave to Pinnacle, in addition to the many friends that are still awaiting parole there, I have earned my right to an opinion the hard way.

Do I "care" what happens at Pinnacle? To a point. Do I want those that I observed ruining the company from within to see their gross errors and have to live with the consequences of their ideology? To a point, I do.

Like I said to the other guys and gals, you may not like that I have an opinion about my previous employer, but I will share them just the same. Usually truth only hurts because... it is the truth.

It is telling that MSA pilots say that I am entitled to have an opinion about a place that I spent so much of my life, and have friends still, but Pinnacle pilots want me to shut up, and say they will never look back when they are gone. It proves much about my comments.

 

[Smarta$$]

Post on Smarta$$. You earned your opinion just as everyone else. Just remember things are changing... Hopefully for the better.

I do see some light at the end of the tunnel for you guys. I am encouraged that your new CEO will try and do good things. But he has a huge crater to dig out of, left to him by the previous CEO that most Pinnacle pilots put on a pedestal for being so "good at business". It was hilarious. Pinnacle pilots would complain till they were blue in the face that they hated Trenary, but then spend 10 minutes arguing what a "business genious" he was and how he had made such "financially wise" decisions!

As is the typical 9E pilot fashion, they will deny it now. But it is another area where the culture of my previous coworkers needs change and learn from their many failures.

 

[DoinTime]

As is the typical 9E pilot fashion, they will deny it now. But it is another area where the culture of my previous coworkers needs change and learn from their many failures.

I would be surprised if you could identify even 5% of pinnacle pilots by name and yet you claim to have knowlege of the inner feelings of all your former coworkers? Laughable.

 

[bri5150]

Man, PInnacle culture is messed up. He cares about what happens at Pinnacle because he worked there for many years (I am sure) and has friends there and he gets nothing but grief. It's not like he hasn't been there for a couple years and thinks he knows what's going on. He just left a few months ago, right?

 

[Smarta$$]

I would be surprised if you could identify even 5% of pinnacle pilots by name and yet you claim to have knowlege of the inner feelings of all your former coworkers? Laughable.

Why could I not identify 5% by name? I spent YEARS on airport reserve in crew rooms, and had 3 different crews per day all the time. I met a LOT of people. When nearly everyone you talk to day after day after day, has the same things to say, you get a VERY good feel for the temperature of the group.

Your denial is predictable... If only I had a nickel for every pinnacle pilot that told me how savy Trenary was at running a profitable business. He was idolized for pinnacles success.

Lots of rewriting history going on these days....

 

[Smarta$$]

Man, PInnacle culture is messed up. He cares about what happens at Pinnacle because he worked there for many years (I am sure) and has friends there and he gets nothing but grief. It's not like he hasn't been there for a couple years and thinks he knows what's going on. He just left a few months ago, right?

Thats correct, just left recently. They don't want others to know what the prevailing sentiment has been within the group. They want to sweep it under the rug. That is not how you learn from your mistakes.

I do wish the best for MSA pilots and my friends that are still there.

 

[Grinder10]

Sorry to interrupt the eternal FI pissing contest, but does anyone know what was agreed to in the new LOA 21?

 

[higney85]

Sorry to interrupt the eternal FI pissing contest, but does anyone know what was agreed to in the new LOA 21?

Basically that seat locks go away, classes don't have to start for up to 9 months, we get some things that we want.... The company gets to save about $5M.

Quotas and such are not a part of this, simply contractual stuff that helps everyone.