Next Pinnacle realignment.

[CptMurf]

Post on Smarta$$. You earned your opinion just as everyone else. Just remember things are changing... Hopefully for the better.

 

[bri5150]

I am pretty sure I will keep tabs on what is going on here after I leave. I will still have friends here and spent at least 6 years of my life here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, whether you like it or not.

 

[Smarta$$]

There is a point to be made in the statement of "mind your own business".

I respect you Ken, but with the blood, sweat, holidays and family events that I gave to Pinnacle, in addition to the many friends that are still awaiting parole there, I have earned my right to an opinion the hard way.

Do I "care" what happens at Pinnacle? To a point. Do I want those that I observed ruining the company from within to see their gross errors and have to live with the consequences of their ideology? To a point, I do.

Like I said to the other guys and gals, you may not like that I have an opinion about my previous employer, but I will share them just the same. Usually truth only hurts because... it is the truth.

It is telling that MSA pilots say that I am entitled to have an opinion about a place that I spent so much of my life, and have friends still, but Pinnacle pilots want me to shut up, and say they will never look back when they are gone. It proves much about my comments.

 

[Smarta$$]

Post on Smarta$$. You earned your opinion just as everyone else. Just remember things are changing... Hopefully for the better.

I do see some light at the end of the tunnel for you guys. I am encouraged that your new CEO will try and do good things. But he has a huge crater to dig out of, left to him by the previous CEO that most Pinnacle pilots put on a pedestal for being so "good at business". It was hilarious. Pinnacle pilots would complain till they were blue in the face that they hated Trenary, but then spend 10 minutes arguing what a "business genious" he was and how he had made such "financially wise" decisions!

As is the typical 9E pilot fashion, they will deny it now. But it is another area where the culture of my previous coworkers needs change and learn from their many failures.

 

[DoinTime]

As is the typical 9E pilot fashion, they will deny it now. But it is another area where the culture of my previous coworkers needs change and learn from their many failures.

I would be surprised if you could identify even 5% of pinnacle pilots by name and yet you claim to have knowlege of the inner feelings of all your former coworkers? Laughable.

 

[bri5150]

Man, PInnacle culture is messed up. He cares about what happens at Pinnacle because he worked there for many years (I am sure) and has friends there and he gets nothing but grief. It's not like he hasn't been there for a couple years and thinks he knows what's going on. He just left a few months ago, right?

 

[Smarta$$]

I would be surprised if you could identify even 5% of pinnacle pilots by name and yet you claim to have knowlege of the inner feelings of all your former coworkers? Laughable.

Why could I not identify 5% by name? I spent YEARS on airport reserve in crew rooms, and had 3 different crews per day all the time. I met a LOT of people. When nearly everyone you talk to day after day after day, has the same things to say, you get a VERY good feel for the temperature of the group.

Your denial is predictable... If only I had a nickel for every pinnacle pilot that told me how savy Trenary was at running a profitable business. He was idolized for pinnacles success.

Lots of rewriting history going on these days....

 

[Smarta$$]

Man, PInnacle culture is messed up. He cares about what happens at Pinnacle because he worked there for many years (I am sure) and has friends there and he gets nothing but grief. It's not like he hasn't been there for a couple years and thinks he knows what's going on. He just left a few months ago, right?

Thats correct, just left recently. They don't want others to know what the prevailing sentiment has been within the group. They want to sweep it under the rug. That is not how you learn from your mistakes.

I do wish the best for MSA pilots and my friends that are still there.

 

[Grinder10]

Sorry to interrupt the eternal FI pissing contest, but does anyone know what was agreed to in the new LOA 21?

 

[higney85]

Sorry to interrupt the eternal FI pissing contest, but does anyone know what was agreed to in the new LOA 21?

Basically that seat locks go away, classes don't have to start for up to 9 months, we get some things that we want.... The company gets to save about $5M.

Quotas and such are not a part of this, simply contractual stuff that helps everyone.

 

[i fly boxes]

higney, are you saying that the quota's are going away?

 

[Waylon]

Anybody heard what the pilots get out of the LOA?

 

[Flyer1015]

Basically that seat locks go away, classes don't have to start for up to 9 months, we get some things that we want.... The company gets to save about $5M.

From Feb 18 to Sept 22 for concessions to pass. 7 months. Not bad. My bet was at 6 months.

 

[Flyer1015]

higney, are you saying that the quota's are going away?

Completely un-related. An LOA is a letter of agreement between the union and airline management, as allowed by the JCBA, and becomes amended to the JCBA, our pilot contract. Quotas were not installed by management or pilots, it was installed by Bloch's binding arbitration award. We do not have a LOA from Bloch, although we are waiting to hear about clarification regarding the Saab fences.

 

[higney85]

Anybody heard what the pilots get out of the LOA?

A bunch of CA's get to keep seats, and many will be getting bypass pay instead of having to go through training. The training pipeline gets to be expanded out to almost be like a "Advanced Entitlement" bid. Pilots don't get yanked around as much, and the company keeps the pilots flying and pays more $$ in hourly costs, without the training costs and bottlenecks.

At least that's how it reads to me.

 

[jkurtfly]

Is the union planning on sending an email out to the pilot group about this LOA?

 

[higney85]

Is the union planning on sending an email out to the pilot group about this LOA?

I'm sure they will. Signatures are still being done. I wouldn't be surprised if 11-09 isn't out prior to tomorrow. My "sources" say it's going to make 11-08 look like child's play.

 

[RJLoser]

Is the union planning on sending an email out to the pilot group about this LOA?

Very wise question Grasshoppa. You must be a pinnacle pilot now.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm sure they will. Signatures are still being done. I wouldn't be surprised if 11-09 isn't out prior to tomorrow. My "sources" say it's going to make 11-08 look like child's play.

In what sense? Net CAs negative or positive? We got a whole lotta Saab Captains/FOs to find new jobs for. Jet jobs, I mean.

 

[altimaklr]

Has anyone heard about this vacancy also including spots for new Q400's?