JBLU Management Answers Back

[Dizel8]

2. Good thing I'm on my wifes insurance

Now why would you be on your wife's insurance?

 

[tico]

Well put Dizel8. I only have this to add....read and re-read Flying the Line part 1...The hard part for direct-entry military guys....They were "management " for their entire career....hard lessons for those guys....some can never admit to stepping down into the "enlisted ranks" which is what an airline gig is.

 

[Dizel8]

BB,

I have to ask, why do we have trip rigs, duty rigs, per diem, 16 hr duty days, 8hr flight time limits, min guarantee and a multitude of other things? Do we have these things because management thought we should have them, after all these things increases their cost and reduces their flexibility or do we have these thing because unified pilots fought for them?


Are you really of the opinion, that management would have provided us these things if other pilots hadn't already set a precedent?

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

... you didn't expect them to play nice did u?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well put Dizel8. I only have this to add....read and re-read Flying the Line part 1...The hard part for direct-entry military guys....They were "management " for their entire career....hard lessons for those guys....some can never admit to stepping down into the "enlisted ranks" which is what an airline gig is.

This post should be mandatory reading for every military aviator the day he gets his first airline job.

 

[$$$4nothin]

And this is why JB hired jokers like $$$4nothin.

Why am I a Joker. Is it because I want to increase my QOL in every way, and B6 will do this. Is it because I have planned my life realistically as to what airlines offer as a career, no matter hard we all fight to make it better. I would love to hear your suggestion as to what one should do. Shall all of us regional guys hold out until SW, or Fedex call us. Just curious if you have a good opinion as a good alternative or just doing some name calling because you are pissed at your current situation. If so I understand this because my current company pisses me off also.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Now why would you be on your wife's insurance?

Because it is much better insurance at a better price.

 

[sniper]

I've accepted the fact that ALPA will probably win the election this time around. I'll be relieved. Because if they were defeated, the same group would either protest the results or then try TWU or some other trucking union. I'll be grateful to pay out the $5000/year dues for the 2-3 years it's going to take to get our first contract-- while maintaining status quo on pay and benefits. That's a pretty expensive ALPA decal...

The battle cry is "We want industry standard!" Please check out the pay rates of other E190 operators. Our JBLU E190 FOs make more money than Republic's E190 Captains. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc.html
Jetblue leads the industry in pay for the E190s.

The ALPA supporters pick and choose the great parts of every contract out there as their promise for greener pastures. Really? Our first contract will most likely be concessionary no matter what these ALPA supporters will tell you, that is just a fact of first contracts. What if we do end up with industry standard-- like no more pay protection for lost legs or trips due to IROP (APA-American). Or how about 50% pay for deadheads (ALPA-UAL). Be careful what you ask for, because these are examples of industry standards.

I love Democrats!!![/QUOT







5000 THOUSAND? Whats your Jetblue salary 250 k per year?

ALPA gets 1.9 percent

 

[Dizel8]

Because it is much better insurance at a better price.

Hey, I am not blaming you for doing so, but it's real funny when I hear anti union jetblue pilots say this, when we are discussing jetblue benefits. Maybe, just maybe, we should try and negotiate some better benefits, including Medical and retirement.

Asking nicely for it hasn't turned out so well.

 

[Dizel8]

BB said:

"The ALPA supporters pick and choose the great parts of every contract out there as their promise for greener pastures. Really? Our first contract will most likely be concessionary no matter what these ALPA supporters will tell you, that is just a fact of first contracts. What if we do end up with industry standard"

First question would be, and this should be an easy one for you, you do claim to know. Which first contracts have been concessionary under ALPA, it would be great if you can supply us with some examples?

Secondly, ALPA hasn't "promised" us anything other than the ability to collectively bargain, I certainly haven't heard any guarantees that we will get this or that. All we will get is a legally recognized seat at the table. Now, while there are no guarantees, there are certain things that we might get, things that are currently not available to us under the current rules, such as a separate 401(k) plan, separate medical plan. Of course, perhaps you don't need such things, if you use TriCare and have a good Military retirement.