SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[miles otoole]

FYI- Our (SWA) youngest CA will be 35 in Nov. There are only 42 captains in their 30s.

Sounds like a function of growth the past 10 years. Isn't at's upgrade 4-5 years? What's the last ten year growth rate of the fleet for each company? Maybe that would be more telling of expectations.

 

[jball2]

I just looked at AAI's sen. list dated 12/22/09 and there were 127 captains in their 30s. Surely there's more by now. Just posting numbers, not debating.

 

[Lear70]

Sounds like a function of growth the past 10 years. Isn't at's upgrade 4-5 years?

No.

It WAS close to that back in 06-07, but I'm starting year 6 and was about a year and change from upgrade if we'd kept our delivery schedule instead of the airplanes all going to SWA now, so most junior CA is 7-8 years seniority right now versus what, 11-12 at SWA?

 

[scoreboardII]

Absolutely. You can't argue that your retirement numbers are dramatically higher than ours and that the majority of our pilots will have, on average, 5-7 more years of working productivity than yours. It's just simple math, and I'm sure will factor into the equation, but again, that's above my pay grade.

So, based on your previous statements of fair and equitable, it would be fair and equitable to include age of pilot group and years of service remaining in consideration for seniority placement, right?

 

[Lear70]

So, based on your previous statements of fair and equitable, it would be fair and equitable to include age of pilot group and years of service remaining in consideration for seniority placement, right?

I just know that such subjects have come up in SLI arguments in the past with other airlines and have been found relevant if there's a big split that affects retirements and/or career expectation.

If it's just a few years' difference in age once all the data is analyzed, it may not be much of an issue. If the age difference is found to be much more disparate than that? Well, that's up to the MC/NC's and/or arbitrator but yes, I'm sure it will figure in to "fair and equitable", just as it has in all the other recent SLI arbitrations.

 

[redflyer65]

No.

It WAS close to that back in 06-07, but I'm starting year 6 and was about a year and change from upgrade if we'd kept our delivery schedule instead of the airplanes all going to SWA now, so most junior CA is 7-8 years seniority right now versus what, 11-12 at SWA?

Right around 10yrs.

 

[Ty Webb]

A lot of pilots didn't apply to AirTran, Spirit or other lower tier airlines except as a stepping stone or last resort airline job. I doubt that anyone considered Southwest that type of job.

Then you haven't been around very long.

I recall AirTran pilots on this very forum literally begging to be bought and stapled to Southwest. I guess all the trannies already forgot about that.

Bobby, I hope you are a better pilot than you are a propagandist. :laugh:

 

[ivauir]

Ty,

Don't bother complaining about Bod Dylan. If you can't engage in a civil dialog I won't waste my time.

Bu Bye.

 

[Ty Webb]

Same to you.

ivauir This message is hidden because ivauir is on your ignore list.

There. I did something about it. I invite you to do the same.

Regds,
Ty

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

We don't have many, but we have some.

The difference isn't in the employee groups, but in the perspective of the beholder.

You want to seize any little crumb, and hold it over your head like some sort of trophy. It's laughable.

"SEE! They had some guys make Captain by 30!!!!!!"

Nobody cares. Statistical aberrations are irrelevant. It's like the two or three fools on here shrieking with delight because three alleged AirTran FO's were jokingly begging to be bought and stapled on an anonymous message board one drunken night during the height of contract negotiations. . . . . .

Again, nobody cares, but you. Enjoy. It's all yours, big guy. :laugh:

Oh, they were joking? Riiiiight...