If I hear one more "brief"...

[blesko]

Captain's initial brief ends with "oh..and I'm buying." woo...hoo :beer:

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I end all my briefs by singing the ending to the Wonder Pets theme song.

"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"
"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"


Sorry, my kids were watching the show before bed tonight.

 

[say again]

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

:beer:
:laugh:

 

[blesko]

:beer:
:laugh:

Don't worry, I'll buy the 1st round or more........even on f/o pay. Cheers mate

 

[PCL_128]

We need less briefing...not more....

Do you drive 55 MPH on 85 or 75 thru ATL?...or is that "different"?

Personally, I think these briefing increase the odds of an altitude bust on arrival into ATL and more distracting than anything else....We have gone WAY overboard on the briefings.....

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

Pilots should spend more time piloting and less time talking about piloting. And it's not just the briefs, either. The crazy fixation on FMA calls has gone overboard, as well.

 

[Medeco]

Like I said, we all have our things that drive us batty in the flightdeck.

Mine is a "robotic brief" followed by "Any questions?" after every single brief. I'm all for a brief on info that should be noted, and I will ask questions on anything I'm not clear about.

"Thats all I have"
"Anything to add?"
"Feel free to add anything I missed"
"Did I miss anything you want to note?"
"Parking at gate #, set the parking brake, change clothes, and find the nearest bar stool"

Just my opinion...

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Uh ohhhhhh! Here comes mom in 3....2.....1.......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Apples and oranges. I own my car and do not get paid to operate it. I also do not operate a taxi service out of it.

....ahhh...the excuses always come....Either you believe in rules or you accept the fact that many are silly...

And you are right that briefing increases the odds of busting an altitude. Which is why our manuals state that 1. you should brief at cruise, and 2. there should always be one person whose job it is to fly the airplane (hence transferring the controls).

So how do you do that in ATL when you don't know the runway for sure until you are 50 miles our?

This last round of recurrent, we were told that we can't really multi-task...If that is correct, then how do I fly and listen to ATC, while listening to my FO brief and make sure he is correct?....Face it, this is all an exercise in recipe flying and it is more of a distraction than anything else...

 

[JoeMerchant]

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

That isn't good for either of our reputations....:beer::laugh:

 

[IBNAV8R]

Have to agree with many of you. Too much SOP, not enough THINKING. That said, IMHO, one-engine caged and the GPWS screaming is not the time think about what the SOP DIDN'T say. Any questions?

 

[SSDD]

I'm in the jumpseat out of ORD a couple of days ago. RWYs 32L, 4L, and 9R are in use. The captain briefs two possible routings for each runway!!! I could tell that the FO stopped listening halfway thru the briefing. When they get the taxi clearance, the captain guns the engines, and darts across two taxiways while the FO finishes reading it back. The FO writes down the clearance and then traces it on the 20-9 with his finger. Now, who is the safer pilot?

 

[91100 100 set]

I'm in the jumpseat out of ORD a couple of days ago. RWYs 32L, 4L, and 9R are in use. The captain briefs two possible routings for each runway!!! I could tell that the FO stopped listening halfway thru the briefing. When they get the taxi clearance, the captain guns the engines, and darts across two taxiways while the FO finishes reading it back. The FO writes down the clearance and then traces it on the 20-9 with his finger. Now, who is the safer pilot?

The bottom line: don't cross or end up on a runway you're not supposed to be on, and don't hit anything. Something less than that might get you yelled at a little, but I'm over that.

 

[acaTerry]

Everyone is so darn smart....

...now I feel even more nervous to fly on the regionals. You guys are just fountains of knowledge and don't need anyone to tell you anything. This is like listening to high school kids.

 

[Mike man]

at Spirit the PF has to transfer controls to the PM for the approach brief...approach lights and suspected taxi route after landing are all among the things that must be briefed, it takes a good 10 minutes to complete properly.

the takeoff briefing is equally painful and long...not complete unless you review the call outs, out loud, for a rejected takeoff.

 

[bri5150]

at Spirit the PF has to transfer controls to the PM for the approach brief...approach lights and suspected taxi route after landing are all among the things that must be briefed, it takes a good 10 minutes to complete properly.

the takeoff briefing is equally painful and long...not complete unless you review the call outs, out loud, for a rejected takeoff.

That's what I don't get. Why should we review SOP every brief? I am totally on board with briefing things that may change the abort possibilities from normal, but briefing the same damn abort criteria every time is a bit excessive IMHO.