If I hear one more "brief"...

[blesko]

Captain's initial brief ends with "oh..and I'm buying." woo...hoo :beer:

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I end all my briefs by singing the ending to the Wonder Pets theme song.

"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"
"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"


Sorry, my kids were watching the show before bed tonight.

 

[say again]

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

:beer:
:laugh:

 

[blesko]

:beer:
:laugh:

Don't worry, I'll buy the 1st round or more........even on f/o pay. Cheers mate

 

[PCL_128]

We need less briefing...not more....

Do you drive 55 MPH on 85 or 75 thru ATL?...or is that "different"?

Personally, I think these briefing increase the odds of an altitude bust on arrival into ATL and more distracting than anything else....We have gone WAY overboard on the briefings.....

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

Pilots should spend more time piloting and less time talking about piloting. And it's not just the briefs, either. The crazy fixation on FMA calls has gone overboard, as well.

 

[Medeco]

Like I said, we all have our things that drive us batty in the flightdeck.

Mine is a "robotic brief" followed by "Any questions?" after every single brief. I'm all for a brief on info that should be noted, and I will ask questions on anything I'm not clear about.

"Thats all I have"
"Anything to add?"
"Feel free to add anything I missed"
"Did I miss anything you want to note?"
"Parking at gate #, set the parking brake, change clothes, and find the nearest bar stool"

Just my opinion...

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Uh ohhhhhh! Here comes mom in 3....2.....1.......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Apples and oranges. I own my car and do not get paid to operate it. I also do not operate a taxi service out of it.

....ahhh...the excuses always come....Either you believe in rules or you accept the fact that many are silly...

And you are right that briefing increases the odds of busting an altitude. Which is why our manuals state that 1. you should brief at cruise, and 2. there should always be one person whose job it is to fly the airplane (hence transferring the controls).

So how do you do that in ATL when you don't know the runway for sure until you are 50 miles our?

This last round of recurrent, we were told that we can't really multi-task...If that is correct, then how do I fly and listen to ATC, while listening to my FO brief and make sure he is correct?....Face it, this is all an exercise in recipe flying and it is more of a distraction than anything else...

 

[JoeMerchant]

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

That isn't good for either of our reputations....:beer::laugh:

 

[IBNAV8R]

Have to agree with many of you. Too much SOP, not enough THINKING. That said, IMHO, one-engine caged and the GPWS screaming is not the time think about what the SOP DIDN'T say. Any questions?

 

[SSDD]

I'm in the jumpseat out of ORD a couple of days ago. RWYs 32L, 4L, and 9R are in use. The captain briefs two possible routings for each runway!!! I could tell that the FO stopped listening halfway thru the briefing. When they get the taxi clearance, the captain guns the engines, and darts across two taxiways while the FO finishes reading it back. The FO writes down the clearance and then traces it on the 20-9 with his finger. Now, who is the safer pilot?

 

[91100 100 set]

I'm in the jumpseat out of ORD a couple of days ago. RWYs 32L, 4L, and 9R are in use. The captain briefs two possible routings for each runway!!! I could tell that the FO stopped listening halfway thru the briefing. When they get the taxi clearance, the captain guns the engines, and darts across two taxiways while the FO finishes reading it back. The FO writes down the clearance and then traces it on the 20-9 with his finger. Now, who is the safer pilot?

The bottom line: don't cross or end up on a runway you're not supposed to be on, and don't hit anything. Something less than that might get you yelled at a little, but I'm over that.

 

[acaTerry]

Everyone is so darn smart....

...now I feel even more nervous to fly on the regionals. You guys are just fountains of knowledge and don't need anyone to tell you anything. This is like listening to high school kids.

 

[Mike man]

at Spirit the PF has to transfer controls to the PM for the approach brief...approach lights and suspected taxi route after landing are all among the things that must be briefed, it takes a good 10 minutes to complete properly.

the takeoff briefing is equally painful and long...not complete unless you review the call outs, out loud, for a rejected takeoff.

 

[bri5150]

at Spirit the PF has to transfer controls to the PM for the approach brief...approach lights and suspected taxi route after landing are all among the things that must be briefed, it takes a good 10 minutes to complete properly.

the takeoff briefing is equally painful and long...not complete unless you review the call outs, out loud, for a rejected takeoff.

That's what I don't get. Why should we review SOP every brief? I am totally on board with briefing things that may change the abort possibilities from normal, but briefing the same damn abort criteria every time is a bit excessive IMHO.

 

[Freebrd]

...now I feel even more nervous to fly on the regionals. .

good stay the f@*% off us then loser :laugh:

 

[acaTerry]

good stay the f@*% off us then loser :laugh:

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[79%N1]

...now I feel even more nervous to fly on the regionals. You guys are just fountains of knowledge and don't need anyone to tell you anything. This is like listening to high school kids.

Because that is rational! Only about 10,000 regional flights depart every day, and there has been 1 or 2 accidents on a revenue flight in the past 5 or so years! What a horrible record the regionals have ACATerry! I'd be terrified!

 

[acaTerry]

1 or 2? Look again. And look at the circumstances...all avoidable if the self-righteous attitudes of knowitalls weren't there, they'd never happen. Gotta be cool. Gotta be liked. Gotta point out what everyone ELSE does wrong instead of realizing that any of you, me included, CAN be the next one to wreck a plane.
I'll take caution, humility and listen and learn from others. It's kept me alive this long. You guys keep bloating your egos and pointing out how awesome and cool you are. How you know more than your captains. The FAA. The NTSB. Maybe even the guy who fills the holes you put your planes in.

 

[Freebrd]

Thanks for proving my point.

Sure thing sweetie! Kiss kiss!

 

[Medeco]

The point of this post was far from being a know it all. I'm simply saying change up the wording of your "brief" so that I know you are actually thinking about what you are saying. If it is the same "cookie cutter" brief every time, followed by "any questions" I see you are not thinking about what is coming out of your mouth.

I was simply venting here, hoping to get people to think a bit.

Maybe I did???

 

[75 Driver]

The one I like is the guy that starts a basic call for something with. "When you are happy can you do XYZ".

Nobody has been happy at my airline for 20 years, so you are going to be waiting awhile for XYZ, and your are going to get another leg or 2 of IOE untill the happy thing goes away..

 

[JoeMerchant]

The one I like is the guy that starts a basic call for something with. "When you are happy can you do XYZ".

Nobody has been happy at my airline for 20 years, so you are going to be waiting awhile for XYZ, and your are going to get another leg or 2 of IOE untill the happy thing goes away..

Where do you work 75 Driver?

 

[acaTerry]

Sure thing sweetie! Kiss kiss!

Hold the kissies....None of that without buying me dinner....

 

[turbinej]

At my legacy carrier, Questions? is on our briefing card. Standard Ops

 

[SERPICO]

If I hear one more brief, be it any kind, that ends with "Any questions???"

I'm going to go CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you not think of any other way to end it???

Is anyone else tired of hearing this?

Kinda like "Sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight"

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sit back and relax, I doubt anybody is relying on you anyway.

 

[Vmo]

The point of this post was far from being a know it all. I'm simply saying change up the wording of your "brief" so that I know you are actually thinking about what you are saying. If it is the same "cookie cutter" brief every time, followed by "any questions" I see you are not thinking about what is coming out of your mouth.

I was simply venting here, hoping to get people to think a bit.

Maybe I did???

Medeco,

I thought about it, and I decided that I like asking if the person sitting next to me has any questions, or comments.

The thing that I find odd is when the other person finishes a brief of any sort and then just stops. I really don't know if they are finished, or are pausing to collect their thoughts.

I agree with some of the other posters on this thread, you really need to get a thicker skin and not let the little stuff drive you crazy

 

[Medeco]

Sit back and relax, I doubt anybody is relying on you anyway.

Ohh really????

Am I understanding your comment to mean you think I'm sitting in the right seat?

Thanks for adding some deep thoughts...

 

[Medeco]

Medeco,

I thought about it, and I decided that I like asking if the person sitting next to me has any questions, or comments.

The thing that I find odd is when the other person finishes a brief of any sort and then just stops. I really don't know if they are finished, or are pausing to collect their thoughts.

I agree with some of the other posters on this thread, you really need to get a thicker skin and not let the little stuff drive you crazy

Go back and read my additional post.

I'm simply asking that guys mix it up on verbage that isnt part of a required call out.

There are plenty of ways to end a brief, while still being standard, that doesnt end in "any questions"

I already posted some suggetions, and so did others.

 

[FR8mastr]

If it bothers you so much, then ask a few questions after he asks if you have any questions. For instance:

"Any questions?"
"Yeah I have a few"

1. "What's the second highest obstacle in the vicinity of the airport?"
2. "Is radar required to shoot this approach? I noticed you didn't mention whether or not it was"
3. "Will you be carrying an extra few knots above Vref+5 throughout the flare, and should I call out your airspeed deviations?"

I like that! On one hand if they want to brief everything since the Wright flyer than those items seem pretty important.

On the other hand, maybe the fact that you don't really need to know what kind of approach lights are available on a clear and a million daytime visual approach will sink in.

good post