If I hear one more "brief"...

[777forever]

So since nobody seems to transfer the controls while briefing on the line, how come everybody seems to do it in the sims or on line checks?

Because they have common sense...

 

[sweptback]

So what other parts of the FOM and OM do you not agree with and choose not to follow?

 

[IBNAV8R]

So, opening up the 'discussion' to questions after the brief is a sign of lack of confidence in one's abilities? It seems the friends and acquaintances I've lost over the years tend NOT to be the ones that "lacked confidence".

 

[JoeMerchant]

So what other parts of the FOM and OM do you not agree with and choose not to follow?

Do you drive 55 MPH on 85 or 75 thru ATL?...or is that "different"?

Personally, I think these briefing increase the odds of an altitude bust on arrival into ATL and more distracting than anything else....We have gone WAY overboard on the briefings.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Because they have common sense...

Common sense is not allowed anymore with "recipe flying"....We must have a procedure for everything we do and there is no room to simply use common sense....

 

[Trcb777]

I once pushed execute on the FMS below 10000. That was before the ASAP program. That day still haunts me

 

[sweptback]

Do you drive 55 MPH on 85 or 75 thru ATL?...or is that "different"?

Personally, I think these briefing increase the odds of an altitude bust on arrival into ATL and more distracting than anything else....We have gone WAY overboard on the briefings.....

Apples and oranges. I own my car and do not get paid to operate it. I also do not operate a taxi service out of it.

And you are right that briefing increases the odds of busting an altitude. Which is why our manuals state that 1. you should brief at cruise, and 2. there should always be one person whose job it is to fly the airplane (hence transferring the controls).

Thank you for making my point for me.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I once pushed execute on the FMS below 10000. That was before the ASAP program. That day still haunts me

Maybe someday you can put the incident in the past....until then, I hope you find peace in your life.

 

[Abernathy]

So what other parts of the FOM and OM do you not agree with and choose not to follow?

I don't know, how many times have you broken sterile cockpit? Ever read non-approved material in the cockpit? Put on the O2 mask every single time the FO leaves the cockpit? Have you ever slid your seat back in flight when it's your leg?

Do you always keep your high horse in that glass house of yours?

 

[say again]

Breathe in, breathe out. Repeat as needed.

 

[blesko]

Captain's initial brief ends with "oh..and I'm buying." woo...hoo :beer:

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I end all my briefs by singing the ending to the Wonder Pets theme song.

"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"
"What's gonna work?...Teamwork!"


Sorry, my kids were watching the show before bed tonight.

 

[say again]

Many won't tip the van driver a dollar, let alone but a beer for the f/o.....you must be at a real airline.

:beer:
:laugh:

 

[blesko]

:beer:
:laugh:

Don't worry, I'll buy the 1st round or more........even on f/o pay. Cheers mate

 

[PCL_128]

We need less briefing...not more....

Do you drive 55 MPH on 85 or 75 thru ATL?...or is that "different"?

Personally, I think these briefing increase the odds of an altitude bust on arrival into ATL and more distracting than anything else....We have gone WAY overboard on the briefings.....

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

Pilots should spend more time piloting and less time talking about piloting. And it's not just the briefs, either. The crazy fixation on FMA calls has gone overboard, as well.

 

[Medeco]

Like I said, we all have our things that drive us batty in the flightdeck.

Mine is a "robotic brief" followed by "Any questions?" after every single brief. I'm all for a brief on info that should be noted, and I will ask questions on anything I'm not clear about.

"Thats all I have"
"Anything to add?"
"Feel free to add anything I missed"
"Did I miss anything you want to note?"
"Parking at gate #, set the parking brake, change clothes, and find the nearest bar stool"

Just my opinion...

 

[FORESTGUMP]

Uh ohhhhhh! Here comes mom in 3....2.....1.......

 

[JoeMerchant]

Apples and oranges. I own my car and do not get paid to operate it. I also do not operate a taxi service out of it.

....ahhh...the excuses always come....Either you believe in rules or you accept the fact that many are silly...

And you are right that briefing increases the odds of busting an altitude. Which is why our manuals state that 1. you should brief at cruise, and 2. there should always be one person whose job it is to fly the airplane (hence transferring the controls).

So how do you do that in ATL when you don't know the runway for sure until you are 50 miles our?

This last round of recurrent, we were told that we can't really multi-task...If that is correct, then how do I fly and listen to ATC, while listening to my FO brief and make sure he is correct?....Face it, this is all an exercise in recipe flying and it is more of a distraction than anything else...

 

[JoeMerchant]

We're agreeing far too much lately, Joe.

That isn't good for either of our reputations....:beer::laugh:

 

[IBNAV8R]

Have to agree with many of you. Too much SOP, not enough THINKING. That said, IMHO, one-engine caged and the GPWS screaming is not the time think about what the SOP DIDN'T say. Any questions?