Watch out FOs on Before T/O PAs

[acaTerry]

"Ladies and Gentlemen we're number 2 for departure. Flight Attendants please be seated".
Anyone who thinks that is too much is just an a$$. It's better than a double chime, and it's short.

 

[ohplease!]

Slow day at dumbass club?

Yep. That's why I came here to the retard club to screw with you...did you remember your crayons and helmet today?

 

[blesko]

Not all maintenance performed on aircraft is required to be documented in the logbook on the aircraft...just so you know.

Yeah, not my first rodeo, but a hole through the side of the radome probably should be noticed on the walkaround

 

[ohplease!]

Yeah, not my first rodeo, but a hole through the side of the radome probably should be noticed on the walkaround

Granted....

 

[princeton]

All this is a moot point if the F/O does not even make this PA. At my airline, the CA is responsible for this PA and almost all of them only say "F/As Prepare for Takeoff" - nothing more - because it would be a violation of sterile. I've been here almost 12 years and have never made a takeoff PA. What airlines require the F/O to make it?

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

I'd like to thank the OP for making the recommendation. Before last month I, for one, hadn't considered that adding on a few words could be an issue.

The FACT is that last month on a line check the Check Airman specifically mentioned not to extend the announcement unless the parking brake is set.

The FACT is that a Fed told him that he didn't like it that we were regularly breaking this rule. That means that if we didn't cut it out soon then someone would be made an example of.

If you don't mind being the one they make an example of then Go Ahead and disregard an honest heads-up.

 

[777forever]

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

I'd like to thank the OP for making the recommendation. Before last month I, for one, hadn't considered that adding on a few words could be an issue.

The FACT is that last month on a line check the Check Airman specifically mentioned not to extend the announcement unless the parking brake is set.

The FACT is that a Fed told him that he didn't like it that we were regularly breaking this rule. That means that if we didn't cut it out soon then someone would be made an example of.

If you don't mind being the one they make an example of then Go Ahead and disregard an honest heads-up.

You're welcome. Good points all around

 

[aa73]

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

This point has been brought up here at AA before. The thinking over there at HQ is that the FO is so busy with our massive Before T/O checklist (trust me, it's long - something like 15 items) that the feds didn't consider it a big deal for the CA to push the PA button and make the PA from his boom mike - all he's doing is taxiing. Otherwise, it's just one more thing on the laundry list for the already-busy FO to do. Kinda makes sense to me. Obviously the FAA thinks so too.

 

[Nevets]

Not all maintenance performed on aircraft is required to be documented in the logbook on the aircraft...just so you know.

What maintenance doesn't need to be documented? Are you talking about servicing oil/hydraulics?

 

[imacdog]

B/s. It is a clear violation of sterile cockpit unless the parking brake is set. Its in the FOM, it's law and it's a violation that can be handed out from a fed riding in the cabin. Captian usually makes PA at the gate, followed by the one prior to takeoff by the FO. Sterile cockpit is a hot topic so crawl back under your rock. You're probably the type who likes to hear himself talk and repeat everything the captain said at the gate but in your own words. Utterly ridiculous. Do it by the book or ill be happy to call pro standards until you catch the drift that this isn't kosher.

Four days with you must go by like a breeze.

 

[ohplease!]

What maintenance doesn't need to be documented? Are you talking about servicing oil/hydraulics?

.....documented in the logbook on the aircraft........

 

[Nevets]

.....documented in the logbook on the aircraft........

Yeah, what maintenance doesn't need to be documented in the records?

 

[ohplease!]

Yeah, what maintenance doesn't need to be documented in the records?

its all documented in the records....the A/C log is typically for maintenance performed on the "line"....if an A/C is taken "off line" (to the hangar, for example), the maintenance performed is documented in the system, not in the A/C log...SO, the point was maid that a "softball sized dent" was found on the walk around and was "painted over by maintenance" without "an entry in the A/C logbook".....

Now, I do realize we (pilots) are all-knowing GODS and all things should be done OUR way.....however, sometimes we (pilots) do not have all the facts (OMG), don't know acceptable limits/repairs for A/C damage (OMG AGAIN) or where/when something was done.....certainly if one has questions, he/she should ask....BUT, making statements like those (and I hear them frequently) and throwing our maintenance staff under the bus pisses me off. Its just idiotic and immature....just sayin'

Don't even get me started on the comments/attitudes I hear/see expressed towards the ramp, catering, dispatchers, F/A's, gate agents, etc.....If you (not you specifically) want to be a good GOD, just sit quietly on your throne and be the quiet lord of all that you survey.....


Of course there are always exceptions to every rule.... clear enough now?

 

[Nevets]

its all documented in the records....the A/C log is typically for maintenance performed on the "line"....if an A/C is taken "off line" (to the hangar, for example), the maintenance performed is documented in the system, not in the A/C log...SO, the point was maid that a "softball sized dent" was found on the walk around and was "painted over by maintenance" without "an entry in the A/C logbook".....

Now, I do realize we (pilots) are all-knowing GODS and all things should be done OUR way.....however, sometimes we (pilots) do not have all the facts (OMG), don't know acceptable limits/repairs for A/C damage (OMG AGAIN) or where/when something was done.....certainly if one has questions, he/she should ask....BUT, making statements like those (and I hear them frequently) and throwing our maintenance staff under the bus pisses me off. Its just idiotic and immature....just sayin'

Don't even get me started on the comments/attitudes I hear/see expressed towards the ramp, catering, dispatchers, F/A's, gate agents, etc.....If you (not you specifically) want to be a good GOD, just sit quietly on your throne and be the quiet lord of all that you survey.....


Of course there are always exceptions to every rule.... clear enough now?

Yeah thanks. Somehow I knew there was more to it than just your simple statement.

 

[drinksonme]

This is such a joke. Thank God the people that wrote our manual did not get wrapped up on BS like this. Our manual states "Announcements during the following times are REQUIRED, ALTHOUGH THE EXACT CONTENT MAY BE VARIED TO MEER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES:

Prior to takeoff has the recommended statement and it is required per our FOM.

So please Mr. Fed, say what you want about how I operate per my FAA APPROVED FOM, but you better know what it says. Now please, get to the important stuff, like making sure MX is done properly so we do not blow holes in planes again. Ensure control towers are properly staffed so that we do not have to use common traffic calls in a Class B airspace during nap time. Love how it took 3 weeks of media attention for them to staff and change rest rules for controllers.....yet it took what, 50 f@cking years for the pilots to even be considered. Now we have to wait and see if Congress will allow it....based on PROFIT IMPACT to the airlines. How bout you Mr. Fed get off our backs for petty $hit that has little to no saftey impact, and have our backs on something that really, via SCIENTIFIC STUDY and countless ACCIDENTS, is a saftey issue. Babbitt and his panel are not going to be enough. Inspectors need to put some pressure on the airlines too help. Like not allowing discipline for Fatigue Calls, and monitoring schedule manipulations to make it legal.

 

[GOULET!]

Oh shut up. Nobody is getting "dinged" for annoucements. I love these "feds" that are on this board saying they wouldn't resitate to say something to the crews. Riiiiight.