Watch out FOs on Before T/O PAs

[aa73]

All this is a moot point if the F/O does not even make this PA. At my airline, the CA is responsible for this PA and almost all of them only say "F/As Prepare for Takeoff" - nothing more - because it would be a violation of sterile. I've been here almost 12 years and have never made a takeoff PA. What airlines require the F/O to make it?

 

[Always deferred]

As a former fed inspector I can simply offer this: if you obey your FOM and the regulations you won't get in trouble. If I'm sitting in the back or the jumpseat, on official duty, and I hear an FO or Captain rambling on while taxiing, I cannot simply "let it go" because I would be derelict in my duties as an inspector. What I and 99.99% of us would do would be to pop our heads in on the way off the airplane, say "nice flight, thanks for the ride, and maybe just keep the PA chatter in mind.." or something like that. Contrary what you think, Feds are not out to get you. But we do have a job to do as do you.

And no Fed jumpseating is ever "just looking for a ride home"...each has a very specific checklist to follow so stay on your game when a fed's on board (and when there's no fed on board).

 

[sunlitpath]

The F.O.M. provides clear guidance and mandatory instructions on this topic. (2-49). Please note the word "Shall" means compliance is mandatory, (1-2.1).

 

[kmox29]

Ive heard that our wonderful FAA observers are dinging crews for sterile cockpit violation for saying anything other than number blah blah for takeoff, FA be seated.

I seriously doubt that...and this is coming from the "other" side of the fence.

 

[johnpeace]

And normally when you start with "I've heard..." it is usually as accurate as any news report on any aviation topic.

Yah, I've heard we're adequately staffed...

 

[Airscrew]

Yah, I've heard we're adequately staffed...

I've heard we're not homosexuals.

 

[johnpeace]

I've heard we're not homosexuals.

Nah, that was wrong...you're queer.

 

[Patriot328]

All this is a moot point if the F/O does not even make this PA. At my airline, the CA is responsible for this PA and almost all of them only say "F/As Prepare for Takeoff" - nothing more - because it would be a violation of sterile. I've been here almost 12 years and have never made a takeoff PA. What airlines require the F/O to make it?

Just about all of them besides yours..


Boeing has decided this issue is too big for us pilots to handle and on their newer planes you just have a "Takeoff Announcement" button that does it for you.

 

[ohplease!]

Had the assistant POI on the js about 3 weeks ago out of XNA, he didn't say a word. Do what the FOM says. Per haps we should be more careful of things that actually matter like actually doing a pre/post flight walk around and actaully paying attention and not missing a softball size dent in the nosecose that was just recently painted over by mx with no logbook entry in the can.

Not all maintenance performed on aircraft is required to be documented in the logbook on the aircraft...just so you know.

 

[johnpeace]

Slow day at dumbass club?

 

[acaTerry]

"Ladies and Gentlemen we're number 2 for departure. Flight Attendants please be seated".
Anyone who thinks that is too much is just an a$$. It's better than a double chime, and it's short.

 

[ohplease!]

Slow day at dumbass club?

Yep. That's why I came here to the retard club to screw with you...did you remember your crayons and helmet today?

 

[blesko]

Not all maintenance performed on aircraft is required to be documented in the logbook on the aircraft...just so you know.

Yeah, not my first rodeo, but a hole through the side of the radome probably should be noticed on the walkaround

 

[ohplease!]

Yeah, not my first rodeo, but a hole through the side of the radome probably should be noticed on the walkaround

Granted....

 

[princeton]

All this is a moot point if the F/O does not even make this PA. At my airline, the CA is responsible for this PA and almost all of them only say "F/As Prepare for Takeoff" - nothing more - because it would be a violation of sterile. I've been here almost 12 years and have never made a takeoff PA. What airlines require the F/O to make it?

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

I'd like to thank the OP for making the recommendation. Before last month I, for one, hadn't considered that adding on a few words could be an issue.

The FACT is that last month on a line check the Check Airman specifically mentioned not to extend the announcement unless the parking brake is set.

The FACT is that a Fed told him that he didn't like it that we were regularly breaking this rule. That means that if we didn't cut it out soon then someone would be made an example of.

If you don't mind being the one they make an example of then Go Ahead and disregard an honest heads-up.

 

[777forever]

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

I'd like to thank the OP for making the recommendation. Before last month I, for one, hadn't considered that adding on a few words could be an issue.

The FACT is that last month on a line check the Check Airman specifically mentioned not to extend the announcement unless the parking brake is set.

The FACT is that a Fed told him that he didn't like it that we were regularly breaking this rule. That means that if we didn't cut it out soon then someone would be made an example of.

If you don't mind being the one they make an example of then Go Ahead and disregard an honest heads-up.

You're welcome. Good points all around

 

[aa73]

Considering that the CA has two hands occupied taxiing, I'm surprised there's any airline that doesn't have the FO do the announcement.

This point has been brought up here at AA before. The thinking over there at HQ is that the FO is so busy with our massive Before T/O checklist (trust me, it's long - something like 15 items) that the feds didn't consider it a big deal for the CA to push the PA button and make the PA from his boom mike - all he's doing is taxiing. Otherwise, it's just one more thing on the laundry list for the already-busy FO to do. Kinda makes sense to me. Obviously the FAA thinks so too.

 

[Nevets]

Not all maintenance performed on aircraft is required to be documented in the logbook on the aircraft...just so you know.

What maintenance doesn't need to be documented? Are you talking about servicing oil/hydraulics?

 

[imacdog]

B/s. It is a clear violation of sterile cockpit unless the parking brake is set. Its in the FOM, it's law and it's a violation that can be handed out from a fed riding in the cabin. Captian usually makes PA at the gate, followed by the one prior to takeoff by the FO. Sterile cockpit is a hot topic so crawl back under your rock. You're probably the type who likes to hear himself talk and repeat everything the captain said at the gate but in your own words. Utterly ridiculous. Do it by the book or ill be happy to call pro standards until you catch the drift that this isn't kosher.

Four days with you must go by like a breeze.

 

[ohplease!]

What maintenance doesn't need to be documented? Are you talking about servicing oil/hydraulics?

.....documented in the logbook on the aircraft........