What's 357 Done For You Lately?

[F9 Driver]

The IBT357 NC just sent out a blast e-mail regarding the FAPA-ALPA raid. Very enlightening letter, especially since one of the NC members is a former YX NC member. If fact, he endorsed the YX SLI proposal. I wonder what has changed his mind about ALPA? Hmmmmm...

Maybe he needed a paying job and the IBT offered?
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[sshrae]

Yeah, and I remember riding a camel in an underwater congo line in celebration of the martian new year.

Both my statement and yours contain the same amount of truth, except maybe the part about you thanking them at the end of the flight. But hey it is on the internet so it must be true right.

Actually, it did happen. Ask around, I'm sure the crew will be more than happy to brag about it. Doesn't matter though, F9 has its share of reckless people too. Just how it goes. I don't think you will see too many people trying to slip the airbus. Its all falling apart fast, so it wont matter soon anyway.

 

[sshrae]

Being in this business 25 years and working with some of the most professional crews at TWA, the crews I work with at Republic (Chautauqua, Shuttle and Republic), rank right there with them.

I want to thank the Frontier crew who decided last summer to fly through a thunderstorm enroute from IND to DEN, thank you for not killing me. Apparently the crew nor the dispatcher was too concerned with a 50,000 foot cell, right on the filed route...GOOD JOB.

Before you insult a Republic crewmember, you better know, we are a family here, and this family saved F9's butt, so come down off your pedestal F9, because all you fly are Airbus, for a failing national

As a dispatcher you might want to stick on the sidelines on this one. I don't even work at f9 anymore because I wanted nothing to do with this mess. Are you really sure about the 'we are family' at rah statement? It sounds like everyone who has any real ambition is just trying to get off the sinking ship. Maybe you should too. As for the crew flying through the thunderstorm are you sure about that? Were you in the cockpit looking at the radar? Do you know what it looked like in the front of the airplane? Please keep your uninformed and stupid comments to yourself, you just sound like an idiot.

 

[F9 Driver]

.. FAPA wants a double standard... Why didn't FAPA have a problem with that before but now have a problem with it when it pertains to the IBT pilots they don't wish to represent? A bit of a double standard there, eh? What's good for Lynx/Midwest isn't good for IBT guys? ...Since FAPA hasn't the history of experience with RAH management, don't assume that constructive talks are even possible or were/weren't had. ... the same thing FAPA doesn't want now. FAPA is just looking to splash the pot here... and what is this "mainline" you speak of? We are one right?

First off FAPA wants F9 properly staffed and wants the award complied with. How management chooses to do that isn't for FAPA to decide as long as it is in-keeping with our CBA and the SLI award.

We're in the void between award issuance and implementation. Management can do as they please, and are proving that.

FAPA has had constructive talks with RJET management. 19 LOAs, including an intricate multiple domicile proposal, countless disputes resolved (with a MUCH higher number of disputes filed under RJET).

BB quipped that he has spent more time with FAPA leadership since 2010 than he has ever spent with IBT leadership. It's easy to say that management is impossible to work with when you assume the stance that 747/357 has historically taken. I know that current RAH pilots think that FAPA leadership is being duped by BB/WH and are going to pay for it. Maybe they are right, but the IBT has failed miserably in their attempts to represent their membership via threats and holding their breath. Maybe it's time for a new look at the picture from a union used to dealing with airline management - ALPA.

PS. How many 1981 FIT grads do you have working at RAH? Just curious.

 

[F9 A319]

Hmmm...let's just say things happen for a reason in life, nothing is 'by chance' or 'coincidence'. If you haven't figured it out yet, you will with time. Here's some examples for you to ponder:

Why a captain actually questioned if I could sit in the back while jumpseating...until I informed the gate agent...who chewed him out in front of the whole cabin and crew?

Why I don't put stickers on my flight bag of a company I never worked for (Midwest)?

Why I don't where sunglasses inside the terminal?

Why I wear dress shoes instead black hiking boots or Dockers with extra thick laces?

Why every "Frontier Emergency Landing" reported on the local news is always an Embraer that had "an indication"?

Why I don't flirt with "da ladies" while passing through security?

Why my voice doesn't quiver when "GOING AROUND!!!"

Why I'm responsible for more than 99 souls per flight?

That's just reality, Sport.

Frontier has just as many pilots percentage wise that dress poorly, act immature, flirt (we're pilots for God's sake), wear their hair goofy, declare emergencies for pilot induced errors and wear different shoes (I'm still looking for black leather slippers that are good on ice and snow).

And who cares how many "souls" you carry. If you have pride in your job you don't fly a plane with 9 souls on board any different than if you were flying a plane with 400 souls on board. Not to mention, if you live through it, everyone in the back does too.

 

[F9 Driver]

The IBT357 NC just sent out a blast e-mail regarding the FAPA-ALPA raid. Very enlightening letter...

Can't wait to see it. You guys do realize that the "FAPA - ALPA raid" is just Willson Polling about your preferences in representation.

Don't you?

 

[crashpad]

Frontier has just as many pilots percentage wise that dress poorly, act immature, flirt .....

I agree, and requested the mod delete my post. Too many cups of java yesterday and not directed at the whole pilot group, just one poster.
My apology in any case.

 

[trainer8]

Can't wait to see it. You guys do realize that the "FAPA - ALPA raid" is just Willson Polling about your preferences in representation.

Don't you?

Yup...I was ALPA for 15 years at 2 other carriers, one a mainline carrier. Not my first rodeo.

Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me twice, shame on me. It won't happen again, if I can help it.

T8

 

[SizzleChest]

Can't wait to see it. You guys do realize that the "FAPA - ALPA raid" is just Willson Polling about your preferences in representation.

Don't you?

And a letter with no return address which doesn't even have the name of the pilot group right..... nice work there!

 

[SizzleChest]

First off FAPA wants F9 properly staffed and wants the award complied with. How management chooses to do that isn't for FAPA to decide as long as it is in-keeping with our CBA and the SLI award.

We're in the void between award issuance and implementation. Management can do as they please, and are proving that.

FAPA has had constructive talks with RJET management. 19 LOAs, including an intricate multiple domicile proposal, countless disputes resolved (with a MUCH higher number of disputes filed under RJET).

BB quipped that he has spent more time with FAPA leadership since 2010 than he has ever spent with IBT leadership. It's easy to say that management is impossible to work with when you assume the stance that 747/357 has historically taken. I know that current RAH pilots think that FAPA leadership is being duped by BB/WH and are going to pay for it. Maybe they are right, but the IBT has failed miserably in their attempts to represent their membership via threats and holding their breath. Maybe it's time for a new look at the picture from a union used to dealing with airline management - ALPA.

PS. How many 1981 FIT grads do you have working at RAH? Just curious.

Where is there a reference to this quip of BBs? I'd like to see it. BB hasn't spent time because it is always WH or the lawyers. Don't interpret BB showing up to talk as some kind of special relationship. BB has also been out with health issues the last few months as i understand it. IBT has more grievances filed as we have been around longer with this managment team. it;s not about a stance so much as it is about RAH not wanting to fix anything so they can delay a CBA or anything beneficial to the pilots. I don't think that IBT has failed miserably as you state. They filed a Q400 grievance, seem to be quickly moving on this airbus vacancy memo and then there is the SLI award (another thread). i don't think ALPA is going to be any better. they didn't want CHQ in the past, why now? So they can get more $ and take more from me and my 401K? No thanks.

Who would know about FIT grads?... what difference does that make?