ASA "town hall" prediction

[Baronman]

Says one of ALPA's resident cheerleaders...Koolaid comes in two flavors, and you prefer the ALPA flavor. When ALPA figures out a way to stop multiple groups competing for flying and when ALPA figures out a way to transfer longevity across company lines, I will listen to the Koolaid you are peddling. Until then, it is simply more angry rhetoric from the other cheerleading section...

Call it what you will. I support the side that looks to PRESERVE or INCREASE our compensation. Not kowtow to management's threats that we could lose future flying.

Remember, their job is to pay you as little as possible while working you as much as possible. It's your own fault if you blindly accept what they say.

Furthermore, Pinnacle/Mesaba which would be one of ASA's primary regional competitors just hashed out a new more costly contract. The disparity in costs just narrowed.

 

[JumpersAway]

Where are pilot pay cuts coming in here? A town hall meeting was announced, and we are already jumping the gun- just wait to see what is said before giving yourselves a bunch of uncecessary worry and a coronary.

My bet is that the company is stepping up to the plate to discuss the absurdly poor pairing construction and scheduling practices that have come up lately. At least they have the cahones to step into the lions den- nobody is happy with the pairings. Frankly, I look for March to be a "vacation" month for everyone that holds a line. Hey, why not? Call in sick and only lose 15 hrs. from your sick bank?????? Reserves will get pounded on this month, and every pilot with some sense will be enjoying a nice week and a half stretch of time off.

I'm hoping the company takes one in the kisser this month. Not because I want them to fail. But because I want them to learn a healthy lesson for the upcoming summer travel season. I'm not looking for the moon here, but I am looking for reason and accountability. I'm also looking for respectable compensation and reasonable compensation- and yes, that means taking into account the ability to compete. Don't care to discuss why, or whose fault it is, but it's the cold hard truth and a component in this part of the industry. I'd rather pace a healthy run and end the race at the head of the pack, than sprint the first hundred yards only to fall on my face. However, that said, I'd also like to get paid what I deserve given the contribution I make to this company and it's profit margin. If times are tough financially, then I expect compensation in QOL at the least.

Anyway- I'm waiting to see what they come to the table with before getting worked up. No sense in getting fired up over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. Nobody's said anything about pay cuts. Besides, does anyone remember Brad Hold openly admitting that we have cost issues, and that it DIDN'T involve the pilots. Issues such as maintenance and management costs are the problem, and management knows this. Relax everyone, and let them speak before getting fired up....

 

[Plainsman]

I saw a management guy on the bus the other day. He was being a total jerk to a mechanic who was in street clothes, the dude wanted to know if he was going to work or nonreving someplace, the mechanic was comming into work. The guy (management) was completely bald headed and really obnoxious. Anyplace else he would be sporting a black eye complements of that mechanic. Anyone know a manger that fits that description? If he is in managment, poor, poor choice.

 

[johnpeace]

Did you stand up for the mechanic and call the guy out on his unprofessionalism or just sit there like a sheep?

 

[blesko]

Where are pilot pay cuts coming in here? A town hall meeting was announced, and we are already jumping the gun- just wait to see what is said before giving yourselves a bunch of uncecessary worry and a coronary.

My bet is that the company is stepping up to the plate to discuss the absurdly poor pairing construction and scheduling practices that have come up lately. At least they have the cahones to step into the lions den- nobody is happy with the pairings. Frankly, I look for March to be a "vacation" month for everyone that holds a line. Hey, why not? Call in sick and only lose 15 hrs. from your sick bank?????? Reserves will get pounded on this month, and every pilot with some sense will be enjoying a nice week and a half stretch of time off.

I'm hoping the company takes one in the kisser this month. Not because I want them to fail. But because I want them to learn a healthy lesson for the upcoming summer travel season. I'm not looking for the moon here, but I am looking for reason and accountability. I'm also looking for respectable compensation and reasonable compensation- and yes, that means taking into account the ability to compete. Don't care to discuss why, or whose fault it is, but it's the cold hard truth and a component in this part of the industry. I'd rather pace a healthy run and end the race at the head of the pack, than sprint the first hundred yards only to fall on my face. However, that said, I'd also like to get paid what I deserve given the contribution I make to this company and it's profit margin. If times are tough financially, then I expect compensation in QOL at the least.

Anyway- I'm waiting to see what they come to the table with before getting worked up. No sense in getting fired up over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. Nobody's said anything about pay cuts. Besides, does anyone remember Brad Hold openly admitting that we have cost issues, and that it DIDN'T involve the pilots. Issues such as maintenance and management costs are the problem, and management knows this. Relax everyone, and let them speak before getting fired up....

C'mon man....you've been here long enough, you know what's up. They put out e-mails about how its their fault staffing sucks, and it will be fixed, and its still not. The list goes on. They "own up" to making mistakes right up to the point where they do NOTHING to fix it. I'd like to see a viable operation as much as the next guy, but nothing good ever comes from a town hall.

 

[Redan]

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Says one of ALPA's resident cheerleaders...Koolaid comes in two flavors, and you prefer the ALPA flavor. When ALPA figures out a way to stop multiple groups competing for flying and when ALPA figures out a way to transfer longevity across company lines, I will listen to the Koolaid you are peddling. Until then, it is simply more angry rhetoric from the other cheerleading section...

Well said!

Yet more agenda based commentary from our resident sage JoeMerchant (Jumpin' Joe). Followed by kudos from his best (possibly only) cheerleader 777forever (Little Joe). Yes indeed gentlemen, well said!

 

[Redan]

Where are pilot pay cuts coming in here? A town hall meeting was announced, and we are already jumping the gun- just wait to see what is said before giving yourselves a bunch of uncecessary worry and a coronary.

My bet is that the company is stepping up to the plate to discuss the absurdly poor pairing construction and scheduling practices that have come up lately. At least they have the cahones to step into the lions den- nobody is happy with the pairings. Frankly, I look for March to be a "vacation" month for everyone that holds a line. Hey, why not? Call in sick and only lose 15 hrs. from your sick bank?????? Reserves will get pounded on this month, and every pilot with some sense will be enjoying a nice week and a half stretch of time off.

I'm hoping the company takes one in the kisser this month. Not because I want them to fail. But because I want them to learn a healthy lesson for the upcoming summer travel season. I'm not looking for the moon here, but I am looking for reason and accountability. I'm also looking for respectable compensation and reasonable compensation- and yes, that means taking into account the ability to compete. Don't care to discuss why, or whose fault it is, but it's the cold hard truth and a component in this part of the industry. I'd rather pace a healthy run and end the race at the head of the pack, than sprint the first hundred yards only to fall on my face. However, that said, I'd also like to get paid what I deserve given the contribution I make to this company and it's profit margin. If times are tough financially, then I expect compensation in QOL at the least.

Anyway- I'm waiting to see what they come to the table with before getting worked up. No sense in getting fired up over something that hasn't even been proposed yet. Nobody's said anything about pay cuts. Besides, does anyone remember Brad Hold openly admitting that we have cost issues, and that it DIDN'T involve the pilots. Issues such as maintenance and management costs are the problem, and management knows this. Relax everyone, and let them speak before getting fired up....

While I would tend to agree in spirit with what you say, historically there isn't much basis for giving them a chance. I don't know about you sir, but even as a junior captain I've been here plenty long enough to know better. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Well how about fooling me thrice, four, five, six times ad infinitum? Isn't it time for us to recognize the disingenuous tactics of management for what they are? Isn't it time for us to realize they are soft selling us while playing hard ball?

 

[COOPERVANE]

Well I don't necessarily think it will be CUTS per se. But I do think it will be about the "new realities of regional feed", and how it's gonna be for the forseeable future. It's not gonna just be about pairings, since they are doing it company wide.

I think its gonna be the standard "compliment sandwich". I think it's gonna be a progress report about how the integration is going (how exciting), then about how we are going to have to "get used to new realities", followed by this brilliant ray of light shining brightly into the future.

Kind of like a sheite sandwich that we're all gonna have to take a bite of

 

[COOPERVANE]

Anybody else notice that EVERY OTHER division is first before the ATL crew room.

Honeing presentation skills prior to interacting with pissed off pilots?

 

[johnpeace]

Successful professionals prepare for meetings and go in with an agenda.

I encourage everyone to write down their questions, with notes of specific failures of the ASA way of doing crew utilization and take this opportunity to register not only your anger...but your recognition of crew utilization's failure and ineptitude.

They keep saying we're 'adequately staffed' according to the crews:airframes ratio metric...but need to see that that ratio only works with competence and aptitude handling crew utilization.