ASA "town hall" prediction

[johnpeace]

You seem to know everything about everything and you have it all figured it out....

As evidenced by my coming to you asking for clarification and for an explanation of whatever it is I'm missing...right?

 

[Medeco]

I don't get it...what's the point of a labor contract if one party can arbitrarily violate it at will?

First I didnt say I agreed with the facts just letting you know what they are.

We have something called the Railway Labor Act, which I hope you are familiar with. Yes, it is outdated and in major need of update. Good luck with that...

The RLA prevents labor from applying self help on a whim, so that in this case the airline can continue to do biz without the threat of harming national transportation.

Other Unions are not hamstrung like this, as we are seeing in WI and the teachers.

So, this goes back to expecting our Union leadership to stand up for us, and push for change, or grieve it.

Rule of law still applies in this country, even when it goes against you. The proper way to fix this is through the process even when it sucks.

 

[the palm]

I don't get it...what's the point of a labor contract if one party can arbitrarily violate it at will?

And therein lies the rub. Georgia labor laws and the RLA HEAVILY favor management. Bottom line is you do what your employer tells you to do as long as it isn't unlawful. Contract? Ha! Grieve it. Mediate it. Arbitrate it. Company doesn't care. They know it's a time consuming process and that most people will just give up.

 

[Max Q]

Grievances are boring. It's so much more fun to play their game.

 

[Pasturepilot]

Did any XJTers go to the town hall meetings? What were the talking points? The ATL crew lounge and MX breakroom meeting were cancelled with no word of a reschedule..... Guess that gives some of these guys longer to sharpen their pitchforks.

 

[Medeco]

Go add to the pile on of BH's weekly update in the comments section of the company website.

He needs to know how discouraged his employees really are.

 

[Nevets]

Did any XJTers go to the town hall meetings? What were the talking points? The ATL crew lounge and MX breakroom meeting were cancelled with no word of a reschedule..... Guess that gives some of these guys longer to sharpen their pitchforks.

I didn't but I did listen to his BH's conference call. Message was basically, we like to communicate with you and be upfront, we need to get costs inline, yes we are poorly staffed and crew scheduling doesn't have the tools to do their jobs efficiently and we need to get costs inline but we are hiring/upgrading and we need to get costs inline. No one department is solely to blame but it is leaderships fault and we have a super plan to fix everything because we feel your pain and we need to get costs inline. But you have to work with us cause we are on probation with unical and anything you can do will help and we need to get costs inline. Thank you for all you do.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Agreed

Wonder what the deal is with the postponement?

Refining talking points perhaps? Maybe they realized the backlash if they start talking about cuts or "de-hancements"

 

[SiuDude]

Agreed

Wonder what the deal is with the postponement?

Refining talking points perhaps? Maybe they realized the backlash if they start talking about cuts or "de-hancements"

Big news on Monday.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Big news on Monday.

Care to elaborate? Or would you then have to kill me?......err all of us?

 

[Abernathy]

Big news on Monday.

Oh cut the crap or else you'll get 777forever all moist.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Postponement is probably until the April pairings come out on the 10th. They'll be a little better, and we'll have a little less to bitch about.

 

[asayankee]

Postponement is probably until the April pairings come out on the 10th. They'll be a little better, and we'll have a little less to bitch about.

From both Scott Hall in recurrent and the Union.....April pairings won't be any better, and might actually be a bit worse.

 

[LazyLightnin']

150% paid open time. So it begins.

 

[Flyguy1226]

150% paid open time. So it begins.

And they'll jack it up to 200% again if they have to and all of the sudden everyone stops bitching and the staffing problem will never be resolved.

 

[Abernathy]

And they'll jack it up to 200% again if they have to and all of the sudden everyone stops bitching and the staffing problem will never be resolved.

They buy us cheap.

 

[Medeco]

150% paid open time. So it begins.

On which plane and seat? I dont see anything...

 

[Flyguy1226]

on which plane and seat? I dont see anything...

cr2. Fo.

 

[Max Q]

Are people really stupid enough to pick some of these up?

 

[Max Q]

Is this new jet steam thing supposed to replace the ATL crew lounge town hall?

 

[777forever]

Care to elaborate? Or would you then have to kill me?......err all of us?

2nd hand source but I've heard Delta has decided to order the ATR72-600. Small order at first but the long term plan is to elimate the CR2 and replace most of the flying with the new ATR

 

[777forever]

Nevermind just got updated info. There will be big news but it won't be about ASA or SKW Inc. Turns out after all these years Pinnacle will be the place to have been. Delta has decided to go with the Q400 in reponse to fuel prices.

Makes sense to me. The new Pinnacle has a new pilot contract, a young pilot group, and most importantly costs are in line.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Cause they're spineless

 

[JoeMerchant]

Cause they're spineless

Using that logic, Southwest pilots were "spineless" when they didn't saddle their company with huge pension costs and inefficient work rules...Worked out pretty well for them in the end...

Competition is a b!tch and ALPA allowed competition, even encouraged it, within a brand....You are attacking the wrong straw man....

 

[OCP]

Nevermind just got updated info. There will be big news but it won't be about ASA or SKW Inc. Turns out after all these years Pinnacle will be the place to have been. Delta has decided to go with the Q400 in reponse to fuel prices.

Makes sense to me. The new Pinnacle has a new pilot contract, a young pilot group, and most importantly costs are in line.

And they fly that Q400 for a B scale. i.e. DIRT CHEAP!

 

[spudskier]

forget that, just heard. UAL not hiring because ASA is getting 737s for the IAD base. It was going to be CRJ700s but scope became and issue and not enough were available quickly enough There are a TON of 73s sitting in the desert. Since UAL doesn't operate the 73 anymore, they decided to contract it out so they don't have to reopen the program. 900!? who cares! We'll have 73s! This is the place to go SJSers!

 

[777forever]

And they fly that Q400 for a B scale. i.e. DIRT CHEAP!

Uh PNCL Corp Q400 pay will be higher than ASA 700 pay in 2012, not to mention the PNCL jet pay.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Bumpity bump

 

[looking_down]

forget that, just heard. UAL not hiring because ASA is getting 737s for the IAD base. It was going to be CRJ700s but scope became and issue and not enough were available quickly enough There are a TON of 73s sitting in the desert. Since UAL doesn't operate the 73 anymore, they decided to contract it out so they don't have to reopen the program. 900!? who cares! We'll have 73s! This is the place to go SJSers!

Interviewee got a call from ASA last week. He was told that he would do a sim eval in a 737 at the DL campus. Maybe the cr2 and cr7 sims are full at FS.....then again, maybe not...

 

[Max Q]

Well, it's the 8th. Any word on the ATL crew room town hall? Were we supposed to settle with the audio recording?

Otherwise known as, we don't really give a flip about your questions or comments.