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Gary Kelly Ain't Waitin' for the DOJ!!

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So what do you suggest. You know staple is not going to be the outcome !!

It's going to be fences on 737 too. What crews can
Go intl. What crews have had raft training.

It is going to be mix of DOH and relative seniority.
Which I think is fair. Yes AT 7 yr FO upgrade will not
happen either.

Except for top 800 guys DOH before 1993.
 
scarlet,

Do a search. Your CEO has saii the same about growth and near future plans.


AirTran CEO Bob Fornaro stressed in a conference call with reporters on Monday that AirTran had "done a lot with not much" in terms of financial resources, but that it was becoming less clear that AirTran had the ability to grow and remain competitive in an industry where the size of a carrier's route network is increasingly important.
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"Southwest has, relative to AirTran, vast resources," Fornaro said. It became clear that "we could do more with Southwest resources" than AirTran could do on its own.
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"The Southwest culture is unbelievable, and its employees have the highest passion I've ever seen in the industry," says Don Schmincke, a Baltimore-based author and speaker. "Can they convert AirTran employees
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“This agreement is great news for our Crew Members, our shareholders, our customers and the communities we serve. Joining Southwest Airlines will give us opportunities to grow, both professionally as individuals and as a group, in ways that simply would not be possible without this agreement,” said Bob Fornaro
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“We have evolved our company to be able to take on a growth opportunity like this,” Kelly said.
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At the request of Hartsfield-Jackson, Delta and AirTran began working together on a new lease agreement as far back as a year ago. The major terms of the lease, agreed to months before AirTran began talking to Southwest, would have the net effect to "keep Southwest out" by limiting the number of open gates available for the Dallas-based airline.​



“Delta and AirTran used each other to get the best deal they could at the airport,” said someone familiar with the negotiations. “But when Delta started throwing AirTran under the bus, AirTran had an alternative. AirTran had outsmarted Delta.”​




“Delta is going to feel pain like never before,” he said. “It is totally unavoidable.”
The real reason is that Southwest will “erode Delta’s pricing power” in the domestic market, where Delta already is at a disadvantage because of higher per-person operating costs. ​

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01/27/2010 CEO Robert Fornaro addressed the issue during a conference call Wednesday to discuss the airline's fourth-quarter financial results. QUESTION: How do you view the industry landscape and your prospects for growth in an improving economy?
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RESPONSE: "It's not our plan to scour the market and look for new planes. ... Right now, it's financial success first for us."




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2010-04-22
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ATLANTA -- AirTran Airways isn't putting up a for-sale sign, but the CEO of the discount carrier said Wednesday it would consider a combination with another carrier if approached and if such a deal made sense for the company and shareholders. CEO Robert Fornaro made the comments during a conference call with investors to discuss the airline's first-quarter financial results. Higher fuel prices stung AirTran, causing the usually profitable airline to post a $12 million loss for the first three months of the year.​




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2009-02-06
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Comments ATLANTA (Map, News) - Discount carrier AirTran Airways doesn't expect any overall growth for two years as it tries to weather the severe downturn in the U.S. economy, though it will add service in Milwaukee in a renewed effort to gain market share there, Chief Executive Robert Fornaro said Thursday. Fornaro told a gathering of analysts at the Raymond James & Associates Growth Airline Conference that AirTran will cut capacity in 2009 and likely will be flat in terms of capacity in 2010, but in 2011 it could (doesnt mean it would) grow at least 5 percent. In the meantime, it will make a push in Milwaukee.​

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AirTran pilots to picket outside annual meeting

Originally published: May 17, 2010 4:37 PM
By The Associated Press HARRY R. WEBER (AP Airlines Writer)
ATLANTA - (AP) — AirTran Airways' pilots plan to picket outside the discount carrier's annual meeting to step up pressure on management over the workers' more than five-year effort to secure a new contract with better wages and quality-of-life improvements.
They also expect to announce during Tuesday's shareholders' meeting in Milwaukee that rank-and-file pilots have authorized the union to call a strike if it chooses.
At stake is AirTran's low-cost advantage over larger rivals that has allowed it to lead the way on fare sales and usually still turn a profit. AirTran posted a small loss for the first quarter but said it expects future cost pressures from fuel and maintenance. Additional labor costs could further affect its bottom line.


AirTran captains in their 10th year of service who fly 75 hours a month on small narrowbody aircraft earn on average $129,000 a year, compared with $143,000 at American and $197,000 at Southwest Airlines, according to aviation consultant Kit Darby, who tracks pilot pay across the industry.​


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Ashame you don't know a 10th AT cpt. Can tell you it's
not 129,000

So again. What do u suggest. I ask again

Go ahead look in mirror so you know now and not get mad when
it comes out. Repeat it over and over.

It is not going to be a staple. Now repeat again
It is not going to be a staple. What would I be happy with? Ask
yourself that.
 
scarlet said:
Ashame you don't know a 10th AT cpt. Can tell you it's
not 129,000

So again. What do u suggest. I ask again

Go ahead look in mirror so you know now and not get mad when
it comes out. Repeat it over and over.

It is not going to be a staple. Now repeat again
It is not going to be a staple. What would I be happy with? Ask
yourself that.
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Dude, why are you beating on a dead horse? This stuff has already been covered, it is out of our hands and will probably be settled by an arbitrator. You need to let it go.
 
I didnt mention anything about an SLI. Just refuting your stupid comments on growth at SWA compared to AAI whopping 50 airplane orders. Most know a SWA CA makes more then $197,000 also. Whats your point?
 
scarlet said:
So what do you suggest. You know staple is not going to be the outcome !!

It's going to be fences on 737 too. What crews can
Go intl. What crews have had raft training.

It is going to be mix of DOH and relative seniority.
Which I think is fair. Yes AT 7 yr FO upgrade will not
happen either.

Except for top 800 guys DOH before 1993.
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You are right, how will SWA ever get their organic pilots trained before the fence comes down. What a logistical nightmare. They need to make sure you guys get your DOH or relative that you are talking about because if they don't, this place will probably collapse!!!

Mix of DOH and relative....I have only one question for you....Does the stuff you are smoking pop on a drug test?
 
scarlet said:
So what do you suggest. You know staple is not going to be the outcome !!

It's going to be fences on 737 too. What crews can
Go intl. What crews have had raft training.

It is going to be mix of DOH and relative seniority.
Which I think is fair. Yes AT 7 yr FO upgrade will not
happen either.

Except for top 800 guys DOH before 1993.
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CRY me a RIVER!LOL!
 
FWIW, from the guys I talk to on the outside looking in, we all think it will be a staple fair and square. Also, I think an arbitrator will see it that way too being that nobody is likely to get furloughed with a staple.

I can also see never combining the lists if it looks like it will be ugly.

Just a view from the cheap seats fwiw.
 
Bob Dylan said:
FWIW, from the guys I talk to on the outside looking in, we all think it will be a staple fair and square. Also, I think an arbitrator will see it that way too being that nobody is likely to get furloughed with a staple.

I can also see never combining the lists if it looks like it will be ugly.

Just a view from the cheap seats fwiw.
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Bob, I can't figure out if you're suffering from some sort of comprehension problem, or if you're trying to be funny and failing miserably.

You add nothing to the conversation but the same tired "staple" comment that even the most hard-core SWA guys realize is not going to happen.

So, given the low teeth/tattoo ratio of your posts, let me welcome you to my "ignore list". It's pretty lonely club, it'll be just you and Orangebelly, but you guys will get along well, I'm sure. In a few short weeks, you'll be doing each other's laundry in the toilet and scrubbing each other's back in the shower.

Enjoy! :laugh:
 
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12yr AAI captain is $186/hr in 2014.....btw. SWA contract is more but not that much in. 4yrs. Do the SWA guys know the payrates of AAI's new contract? In 4 yrs the pay rates are a lit closer. The new contract is less than we wanted but much better than current, especially in 4 yrs.
 
Funny,
What was it...97% vote to strike, SWA announces it was buying AAI and the you finally get contract? Do you not see what was being played out by your management?

In 4 yrs you'll have been on the SWA contract for a while I would hope.
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Exactly...your management gave you something knowing full well it wouldn't take effect. You'll be operating under a SWA contract, not AAI. We are going to have to work together and we all need to realize how our newly integrated company and it's managers will be playing us...together!

Dolce
 
Dolce said:
Funny,
What was it...97% vote to strike, SWA announces it was buying AAI and the you finally get contract? Do you not see what was being played out by your management?



Exactly...your management gave you something knowing full well it wouldn't take effect. You'll be operating under a SWA contract, not AAI. We are going to have to work together and we all need to realize how our newly integrated company and it's managers will be playing us...together!

Dolce
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Dolce we will not be taking any managers from AT, per CM and MV.
 
funnyman12 said:
12yr AAI captain is $186/hr in 2014.....btw. SWA contract is more but not that much in. 4yrs. Do the SWA guys know the payrates of AAI's new contract? In 4 yrs the pay rates are a lit closer. The new contract is less than we wanted but much better than current, especially in 4 yrs.
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Actually in 2012 if things go well a 12 year capt will be paid 225 per hour at swa. Still got you beat.
 
funnyman12 said:
12yr AAI captain is $186/hr in 2014.....btw. SWA contract is more but not that much in. 4yrs. Do the SWA guys know the payrates of AAI's new contract? In 4 yrs the pay rates are a lit closer. The new contract is less than we wanted but much better than current, especially in 4 yrs.
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Sorry I stand corrected 222.86 per hour for a 12 year capt, and 155.99 per hour for a 12 year fo in 2012. Current 12 year rate are per hour is 210.24 for capt and 147.17 for fo. This all converted from tfp.
 

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