What do RJET pilots think happens after RJET SLI?

[F9 Driver]

Arbitrator Eischen's final SLI award is due in mid November.

I'm curious, what changes to daily life are the new RAH IBT leadership, the L3 UTU leadership and YX ALPA leadership telling their members to expect after this award is handed down and when do you expect them?

What I've overheard in the crew room is so far from reality that some serious management of expectations is required.

Settled RLA law defines the process after the award. Before any change to daily operation occurs: 1) One of the participating unions needs to petition the NMB to determine if the groups constitute a "single carrier" for purposes of representation. 2) IF the NMB rules that a single carrier exists the entire integrated group must decide on a single union to represent them. (If the NMB doesn't find that a single carrier exists - all bets are off and the lawyers get paid more to figure out what we do next.) 3) That single union must negotiate a TA with RAH management, and ratify with the entire membership, an amalgamated contract that includes a mechanism to implement the arbitrator's decision - and all of the other issues that have been open for the past few years.

Unless all of these steps are completed, the SLI award and resultant MSL mean diddly squat. Even if the process works like clockwork I doubt any change will be felt for a long time to come.

I post this because I am hearing more and more questions / statements about next steps and am afraid that there will be lots of misguided expectations, disappointment, and USAir / America West type sentiment come November.

 

[kf4amu]

RJET pilots will most likely think a quick upgrade and shiny jets will happen.

 

[The Drizzle]

Settled RLA law defines the process after the award. Before any change to daily operation occurs: 1) One of the participating unions needs to petition the NMB to determine if the groups constitute a "single carrier" for purposes of representation. 2) IF the NMB rules that a single carrier exists the entire integrated group must decide on a single union to represent them. (If the NMB doesn't find that a single carrier exists - all bets are off and the lawyers get paid more to figure out what we do next.) 3) That single union must negotiate a TA with RAH management, and ratify with the entire membership, an amalgamated contract that includes a mechanism to implement the arbitrator's decision - and all of the other issues that have been open for the past few years.

For those who have been paying attention to our leadership and SLI team, the above is what we expect. I don't know what you are hearing from across the room, but most of the impatience I hear is just wanting to know the arbitrators's decision. I think a fair amount know that it isn't going to be an instant, "flip the switch" situation.

Even if the process works like clockwork I doubt any change will be felt for a long time to come.

That's likely a good thing, gives us all time to gel, hopefully.

......and am afraid that there will be lots of misguided expectations, disappointment, and USAir / America West type sentiment come November.

Me too, from all sides.

RJET pilots will most likely think a quick upgrade and shiny jets will happen.

This is old. Get over yourself.

 

[chqflyer]

Does it really make any ********************ing difference? The way things are going, we're gonna be outta business within a year.

 

[Jetjockey]

Does it really make any ********************ing difference? The way things are going, we're gonna be outta business within a year.

Remain calm, everything is fine. All is under control. Nothing to see here. Move along. You just keep flying that EMB-190 at rates that are 1/3 of what you should be making.

 

[StaySeated]

Does it really make any ********************ing difference? The way things are going, we're gonna be outta business within a year.

I think there may be some merit to this. I would not be surprised if one or two of the certificates currently held under the RAH umbrella ceased to exist in the not to distant future.

"Republic" will holding company will remain in business, but it is going to look completely different than it does today.

"Settled RLA law defines the process after the award. Before any change to daily operation occurs: 1) One of the participating unions needs to petition the NMB to determine if the groups constitute a "single carrier" for purposes of representation. 2) IF the NMB rules that a single carrier exists the entire integrated group must decide on a single union to represent them. (If the NMB doesn't find that a single carrier exists - all bets are off and the lawyers get paid more to figure out what we do next.) 3) That single union must negotiate a TA with RAH management, and ratify with the entire membership, an amalgamated contract that includes a mechanism to implement the arbitrator's decision - and all of the other issues that have been open for the past few years."

I don't know why anyone would believe something different than the above. All of the involved parties agreed to this exact scenario prior to the beginning of the SLI negotiations.

I am hoping that the above process takes enough time for all of us to get on the same page.

The IBT is going to try and become the bargaining unit without even holding an election. That in and of itself should tell everyone how strong they feel about their chances in a fair election.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Are you guys implying there will be more furloughs? I thought Republic was hiring. I'm guessing the Midwest pilots will not be offered meaningful employment for years.

 

[The Drizzle]

The IBT is going to try and become the bargaining unit without even holding an election. That in and of itself should tell everyone how strong they feel about their chances in a fair election.

I think this is your version of the paranoia we at RAH have of BB and friends. The IBT leadership is fully aware that there is going to be a card drive and is preparing their campaign.

 

[Flying Illini]

Are you guys implying there will be more furloughs? I thought Republic was hiring. I'm guessing the Midwest pilots will not be offered meaningful employment for years.

I doubt there will be any immediate furloughs but I also don't see too many recalls of the guys currently on furlough taking place. We are combining multiple pilot groups of which one of them aren't bringing any airplanes and another group is bringing 3 airplanes for only the next 6 months. As it stands, we will have too many pilots and not enough airplanes.

In the future I certainly expect to lose FFD contracts as they come up for renewal which would remove more flying at a faster rate than the branded side is adding flying.

 

[CitationLover]

Are you guys implying there will be more furloughs? I thought Republic was hiring. I'm guessing the Midwest pilots will not be offered meaningful employment for years.

Hahaha, you think Republic is meaningful employment. Hahaha.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

RJET pilots will most likely think a quick upgrade and shiny jets will happen.

F__k you punk

 

[GuppyWN]

OK.... just because I'm a WN guy doesn't mean I'm stirring the pot.

My buds at Frontier seem to think since the 318's are going away that the rest of the fleet may follow and be replaced by E-Jets for fleet commonality.

Gup

 

[Cardinal]

OK.... just because I'm a WN guy doesn't mean I'm stirring the pot.

My buds at Frontier seem to think since the 318's are going away that the rest of the fleet may follow and be replaced by E-Jets for fleet commonality.

Gup

Find a buddy with a clue. We're swapping 318s for 320s better than 1 for 1. We lose 4 A318s this fall, replaced with a string of 6 newbuild A320s, one a month starting in January. How the heck does a 99 seat E190, even a notional 110 seat E195 replace a 162 seat sub-7-cent CASM aircraft with 6 hour range? It doesn't.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm guessing the Midwest pilots will not be offered meaningful employment for years.

Hahaha, you think Republic is meaningful employment. Hahaha.

Reading is fundamental. The employment RAH has offered Midwest guys (newhire Republic FO pay) is a mockery. Thus the "meaningful employment" hockeypilot refers to correctly is indeed in the future.

 

[GuppyWN]

Find a buddy with a clue. We're swapping 318s for 320s better than 1 for 1. We lose 4 A318s this fall, replaced with a string of 6 newbuild A320s, one a month starting in January. How the heck does a 99 seat E190, even a notional 110 seat E195 replace a 162 seat sub-7-cent CASM aircraft with 6 hour range? It doesn't.

The thought was the 318's are leaving NOW. The 320's aren't going to arrive until after the SLI and any associated discource that may arise.

Gup

 

[The Drizzle]

It's all moot. After this mornings news and with BB at our helm, we will all lose the war.

 

[Flying Illini]

It's all moot. After this mornings news and with BB at our helm, we will all lose the war.

I think we were all screwed the day that Sean Menke left. He had the know-how to run a real airline, BB does not and now is not the time to experiment.

I hope I can get hired elsewhere without any 121 PIC...

 

[kwick]

OK.... just because I'm a WN guy doesn't mean I'm stirring the pot.

My buds at Frontier seem to think since the 318's are going away that the rest of the fleet may follow and be replaced by E-Jets for fleet commonality.

Gup

I heard SW is getting 717s.

Not trying to stir the pot.

 

[StaySeated]

The thought was the 318's are leaving NOW. The 320's aren't going to arrive until after the SLI and any associated discource that may arise.

Gup

Four of the 318's are leaving now, and we have already taken delivery of 3 previously unplanned 320's. The six 320's arriving next year will more than likely be swaps of the remaining 4 318's.

There is also the mexicana 320's on the table. More growth/318 and possible 319 replacements.

The SLI will be announced publicly in mid November. The Single Carrier and Representation drive will begin in earnest, probably on the same day the MSL is announced.

Even if the Single carrier and representation drive occur at the fastest speed in history, all of F9's future airbus deliveries (8 320's not including Mexicana) will be on property prior to any shuffling of the chairs as a result of the SLI.

Drizzle said, "It's all moot. After this mornings news and with BB at our helm, we will all lose the war."

Today's announcement basically guarantees further LCC consolidation sooner rather than later.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RAH/F9/YX/L4 integration ended and another round of merger mania started immediately thereafter.

This could have a huge impact on the representation drive.

Not only should all RAH pilots (that is ALL of us) look at the existing CBA's as a reference for which way to vote, but we also we get an idea on each parties effectiveness at SLI.

If FAPA has a superior CBA, and they experience the least amount of damage as a result of the SLI, can anyone think of a reason NOT to vote independent?

 

[dude100]

Lynx Q400's

BB got rid of his prize planes, the Dash 8 400's and any Aspen flights after April of next year. Republic is screwed after they could be scoped out of United flying later. I'm sure they may hang around with US Air since they really don't care who flys for them. It seems BB really doesn't care to run an airline.