Countdown to the CAL/UAL TA -- 45 days to go

[densoo]

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2010&month=10&day=04&p0=104

What's going to be in it:

-- Full retropay based on the largest differential in seat and class between airlines

-- first class deadhead with pilot right-to-refuse segment

-- if pilot accepts non-first class deadhead it pays 200%--pilot can refuse segment

-- no rolling of reserve days

-- option of an 18 hour reserve callout--no conversion

-- five hour daily rig

-- pay starts at scheduled block out or actual block out time, whichever occurs first

-- pay ends at block in or scheduled block in, whichever occurs later

-- A-Plan "purchased" from each pilot having any A-Plan funds by company buying an annuity for the pilot and in the pilots name, equal to projected age 65 lump sum

-- purchased annuity is turned over in whole to the pilot; company is completely divested of A-Plan

-- B-Plan at 18%

-- 401K match up to 5%

-- PBS, but all absences loaded after the bid is run

-- PBS interface full GUI, drag and drop, global changes on all bid groups at once

-- 85 hour pay cap if any pilot furloughed

-- all a/c (jet, prop, solar, wind, geothermal, telekinesis...all) 50 seats or larger flown by mainline pilots

-- non-rev below exec level based on straight seniority, not title

-- CA IRO for CA, FO or CA IRO for FO; CA IRO if only one IRO needed

-- any sit time, scheduled or actual, greater than 90 minutes pays half time

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yep. Pretty much. Except you forgot that all vacation is paid at 200% of block....





Nice wish list though.

 

[bluefin]

85 hr cap if furloughing!!!!! More like 60, that way it will hurt to furlough, FRONT LINE EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE HIGHER NON-REV seniority than exec pukes, LONGEVITY PAY FOR ALL YEARS ON STREET other than these few minor items, looks good.

 

[densoo]

Yep. Pretty much. Except you forgot that all vacation is paid at 200% of block....Nice wish list though.

Thanks. If all absences are loaded after the PBS run, then vacation will take care of itself at more than 200%. You can bid a two 30-hour trips, one touches the first day of vacation and the other touches the last day of vacation, then the bid is awarded and the trips have to be bought from you because you've got vacation in that spot--like it used to be. You get paid 60 hours for two trips not flown.

This is why they got rid of this in C'02. It was a moneymaker and pilot emploment program. Plus the open time and trip trade really meant something. Now, not so much.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Thanks. If all absences are loaded after the PBS run, then vacation will take care of itself at more than 200%. You can bid a 30-hour trip over your vacation, then the bid is awarded and the trip has to be bought from you because you've got vacation in that spot--like it used to be. You get paid for the trip that you didn't fly, and for the vacation credit of 27 hours.

Just adding to the pie in the sky dreamlist.

 

[densoo]

corrected....they don't get paid for the trips AND vacation credit under the old system, but getting paid for all trips that touch vacations can equal more than double the current "vacation credit."

 

[HHH]

Just adding to the pie in the sky dreamlist.

Pie in the sky? If your expectations are not near this list then you need to reevaluate our position. There is so much money in this merger that the execs don't know what to do with it. The company can easily afford this "pie in the sky" list and then some.

If not, we walk.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Yeah what about longevity pay for being on the street?

What does the company want? A merger and a happy pilot force?

 

[gutshotdraw]

Pie in the sky? If your expectations are not near this list then you need to reevaluate our position. There is so much money in this merger that the execs don't know what to do with it. The company can easily afford this "pie in the sky" list and then some.

If not, we walk.

Then enjoy the picket line. If you think for a second that you can get all that, well, good on ya. I read the original post to my NERD (Never Ever Really Delta) pilot wife and she was laughing by the end of it.

 

[Flyforyou]

It will include whatever we decide to vote yes on.

 

[densoo]

continued...

-- min rest 10 hours between checkin and van time

-- hotel must have food in or near hotel one hour after checkin time and one hour before van time to comply with FAA-recognized nutritional requirements

-- food unavailable due to irregular ops/unforseen circumstance pays $20 override for each meal missed

-- free hotel internet access at all hotels

-- inoperative internet access override of $3/hour from checkin to van time

-- an hour's pay for an hour's work on all at home DIY computer training

-- five hour min pay rig for all in classroom required training; i.e., a day's pay for a day's work

-- first class meal boarded for each pilot if a first class meal is boarded to comply with FAA-recognized nutritional requirements

-- APU turned on by ground crew and APU air established on a/c if a/c sits for more than one hour at greater than 85F

-- bottle of water on seat before every segment

 

[gutshotdraw]

And flight attendants have a weight and age limit...

 

[fatboyplt]

Whats the current spread on the JCBA being completed on the date specified.....Anyone?

Birdman
BTV

 

[CFIT]

-- all a/c (jet, prop, solar, wind, geothermal, telekinesis...all) 50 seats or larger flown by mainline pilots






Why don't you just ask for a hummer at check in since this is a dream TA as well?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

-- all a/c (jet, prop, solar, wind, geothermal, telekinesis...all) 50 seats or larger flown by mainline pilots






Why don't you just ask for a hummer at check in since this is a dream TA as well?

You sir are a genius, but said hummer must come from a company supplied porn star of employee choice, if no suitable porn stars meet the pilots taste, a exec of at least V.P. status will make himself available in the crew lounge, to stand with feet no closer than 36", blindfolded and said pilot will have the option of a closed fist strike to the face or soccer style kick to the junk, if said exec is female then a S&W .500 will be provided and wounding shots are discouraged. Oh yes additional punches, kicks and shots will be assessed at .25 cents each and the association will provide all ammunition, .400gr hollow point being the minimum, Hydrashock is optional. If pilot is female, force multiplication will be made available, crystal meth and 36" Louisville Slugger are to be provided.
One can dream!
PBR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rtw91crys8

 

[Raoul Duke]

I will trade scope up to 76 seats in exchange for FA weight, height and looks requirement.

 

[EWR_FO]

Thanks. If all absences are loaded after the PBS run, then vacation will take care of itself at more than 200%. You can bid a two 30-hour trips, one touches the first day of vacation and the other touches the last day of vacation, then the bid is awarded and the trips have to be bought from you because you've got vacation in that spot--like it used to be. You get paid 60 hours for two trips not flown.

This is why they got rid of this in C'02. It was a moneymaker and pilot emploment program. Plus the open time and trip trade really meant something. Now, not so much.

They had to drop whatever was touching the vacation but you only got paid for the part of the trip that actually overlapped the vacation days, in your example that would only be two days. If you were senior enough on the 777 you could get paid 51+ hours for one week. You can blame the a-hole's who negotiated POS '02 because the vacation policy was "low hanging fruit."

 

[densoo]

They had to drop whatever was touching the vacation but you only got paid for the part of the trip that actually overlapped the vacation days, in your example that would only be two days. If you were senior enough on the 777 you could get paid 51+ hours for one week. You can blame the a-hole's who negotiated POS '02 because the vacation policy was "low hanging fruit."

That was a lot of fruit.

 

[Shrek]

I will trade scope up to 76 seats in exchange for FA weight, height and looks requirement.

I won't trade ANYTHING for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

 

[b737boss]

i won't trade anything for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

amen!

 

[EWR_FO]

That was a lot of fruit.

Not to a guy who flew domestic 737 trips his whole career, THAT was a big part of the problem with all the a-holes who put that POS together.

 

[Fly2AK]

I won't trade ANYTHING for anything less than 50+ seat scope.

Amen brother! Without scope we have nothing. Hell even Bedford thinks he will be able to fly the C Series aircraft for mainline, a 149 pax regional. It is time to prove him and the other CEO's wrong and retake our scope protection!

 

[Skippy]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

 

[Jetjockey]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

There is a way to get rid of them..........................PARK THEM, just like the did the 737s!

 

[Shrek]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

I like this list for sure........
just add +50 seat scope to it

 

[Fly2AK]

Guys i want scope as much as the next guy at U. But flying > 50 seaters at united- just aint gonna happen- they are already there and regional contracts
Come due when 2014/2015 ish( for tsa anyway) not sure on other-
The only wau to scope the bitches is thru the following:

Range
Number
No hub to hub
Every three mainline additions get an rj and vice versa if u get rid of mainline a/c
Pax seats
Weight
Captain flowdown and regional Airline pilot pref interviewing/ hiring

So do you think CAL guys should resign their scope because U guys got screwed in bankruptcy? I think that when the current contracts run out they are once again restricted and scoped out. In the mean time I think you have some great Ideas reduce the range to no flights beyond 1hr 20mins something like that.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Ya Exactly, When those contracts expire, so does any other pilots flying those planes. Period. I don't want the merger. If you want it so bad, pay for it.

 

[jonjuan]

http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=m&year=2010&month=10&day=04&p0=104

What's going to be in it:

-
based on straight seniority, not title

-- CA IRO for CA, FO or CA IRO for FO; CA IRO if only one IRO needed

-- any sit time, scheduled or actual, greater than 90 minutes pays half time

How about also correcting the fact that a 20 y/o F/A, her 3 kids, 17 y/o boyfriend, 38 y/o Mom, and 2 cats ALL have non-rev priority ahead of a 35 y/o, college degreed, 12 year regional CA or MIL pilot (and family) who started new-hire training a week later after said F/A? Good luck finding a non-rev seat for you and your pilot family as loads quickly increase. Heck, no wonder F/As keep flying until 80. Their non- rev benes are pretty sweet compared to pilots given a 15 year head start on seniority.

 

[densoo]

27 days until 4 Oct

Have heard that the initial delay by CAL to look at the TPA was not a rejectjon of the TPA, but rather they didn't have people in place to even consider it. A temporary hiccup.

Also that the negotiations are proceeding without a great deal of resistance. Either means pilots are asking for too little, or management wants to get the deal done.

Find out in 27 days.

 

[pianoman]

My prediction is we won't have it done by then. That's just the deadline at which, if we aren't done, we apply to the NMB for mediation. The road may be long after that. (Willing to do it though)