PSA Rumor Or Fact?

[WSurf]

No flame, just heard it today. Did PSA agree to fly the Mesa 900's for a 2 Percent Raise for Captains and 4% for FOs over the blended rates??

If so would that be cheaper then what Mesa flew them for?

 

[kf4amu]

It's the quick upgrade man!

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

This won't start until September 1, after the agreement has been approved.

 

[ex j-41]

PSA does not have 900 rates. All that is happening is that we are voting on establishing a pay rate so when 2012 comes around our management can put together a proposal to forward to mainline. This is all so we can bid on the Mesa flying that expires in 2012. It does not mean we are getting airplanes.
The pay rate is above all other airlines except Republic. It is multifacited so they aren't really comparable. If PSA gets 1 900, all the pay for all airplanes goes up. Because our pay is based on an average of types. ie blended.
No it isn't the highest but far from the lowest. And because we are in contract negotiations this rate is essentially 6 years old. And will be admendable with our next contract.

 

[Jar Jar]

Questions for you shiny jumbo jet drivers:

1) Is the 900 2-4% shinier than the 700?
2) How are you planning to get around mainline's scope? The 900s were grandfathered exclusively to Mesa from the America West side.

 

[ex j-41]

It's just a bunch of numbers on a piece of paper. There are only airplanes IF mesa does not survive and or by 2012 US Airways decides that it's more economical to have the flying in house. Mainline pilots lost the arbitration with scope, this is why republic is flying the 190's. (Have you seen their f/o pay?).
US Air will not buy additional airframes for PSA. They would have to come from Mesa terminating their leases.

 

[LearLove]

Mainline pilots lost the arbitration with scope, this is why republic is flying the 190's. (Have you seen their f/o pay?).
US Air will not buy additional airframes for PSA. They would have to come from Mesa terminating their leases.

Did I miss something. What arbitration? Rep is not flying the 190's for US Air.

 

[captfred]

Questions for you shiny jumbo jet drivers:

1) Is the 900 2-4% shinier than the 700?
2) How are you planning to get around mainline's scope? The 900s were grandfathered exclusively to Mesa from the America West side.

Don't worry the AWA contract will be in place for a LONG time. The morons at USAPA have NO shot at a joint contract.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Did I miss something. What arbitration? Rep is not flying the 190's for US Air.

No, you didn't miss anything. Just more nonsense and half truths...

 

[Taco Rocket]

Don't worry the AWA contract will be in place for a LONG time. The morons at USAPA have NO shot at a joint contract.

They will -- you just won't get to vote on it.

 

[CX880]

I hope that PSA get's the CRJ-900s so that there may be better service. Mesa service is pretty bad. Actually, it's hard to have good service when there's no crew to man the airplane.

 

[ex j-41]

Did I miss something. What arbitration? Rep is not flying the 190's for US Air.

Sorry 170's.

 

[Jar Jar]

I hope that PSA get's the CRJ-900s so that there may be better service. Mesa service is pretty bad. Actually, it's hard to have good service when there's no crew to man the airplane.

I dont know if I would considder PSA to be "good" service.

Although I will concede that there are very few companies with a pilot group whose egos are strong enough to "fly the 9" and PSA would deffinitely be at the top of that list.

You guys know why we cant get a windshield wash in CLT? Its because the window guys are all working overtime on squee-gee duty up at the PSA crew room cleaning the drool off the glass. Some of them are even starting to call out fatigued!:laugh:

 

[Taco Rocket]

You guys were missing three key points:

1) The lowest bidder will get the planes.
2) Mesa may not be the lowest bidder anymore.
3) It will not be PSA because mainline would have to provide startup capital, and this is a key reason they are not there now.

 

[WSurf]

You guys were missing three key points:

1) The lowest bidder will get the planes.
2) Mesa may not be the lowest bidder anymore.
3) It will not be PSA because mainline would have to provide startup capital, and this is a key reason they are not there now.

Not much in the form of start of capital. They (PSA) already operate 200/700's. All they need to do is get the leases. I think what your gonna see is that many mainlines are gonna cut the profits of Contract carriers that it will almost be easier to operate and own there own regionals. It has already been suggested that US Airways eventually will want one large regional to all its feed.
I could almost see Piedmont/PSA and maybe Airwhiskey getting combined to do all the feed for Airways.

 

[WSurf]

I hope that PSA get's the CRJ-900s so that there may be better service. Mesa service is pretty bad. Actually, it's hard to have good service when there's no crew to man the airplane.

Actually Mesa's 900 service is pretty good out of CLT. How's GoJets service???

 

[Crzipilot]

Questions for you shiny jumbo jet drivers:

2) How are you planning to get around mainline's scope? The 900s were grandfathered exclusively to Mesa from the America West side.

Pretty sure this statement is pretty uhmmm.....FALSE.

 

[CX880]

Actually Mesa's 900 service is pretty good out of CLT. How's GoJets service???

Gojet F.As are voted the best since they come from mainline experience. How about your ESL F.As? Eguzitu sheet maybe behindu u.

 

[kf4amu]

I could almost see Piedmont/PSA and maybe Airwhiskey getting combined to do all the feed for Airways.

And give up the whipsaw? Hell no that'll never happen!

 

[WSurf]

Gojet F.As are voted the best since they come from mainline experience. How about your ESL F.As? Eguzitu sheet maybe behindu u.

LOL, Mainline experience??? Now thats funny right there.

 

[dooork]

Not much in the form of start of capital. They (PSA) already operate 200/700's. All they need to do is get the leases. I think what your gonna see is that many mainlines are gonna cut the profits of Contract carriers that it will almost be easier to operate and own there own regionals. It has already been suggested that US Airways eventually will want one large regional to all its feed.
I could almost see Piedmont/PSA and maybe Airwhiskey getting combined to do all the feed for Airways.

Yeh that makes alot of sense. Lets combine everyone into one big happy family........come back to earth.

 

[WSurf]

Yeh that makes alot of sense. Lets combine everyone into one big happy family........come back to earth.

Kirby was qouted as saying it. US Airways wants one big regional handling its flying. Seems to work good for American airlines with Eagle.

As for one Happy Family.. True, anything that US Airways touches seem to turn to mush!

 

[paulsalem]

The pay-rates are so PSA can put in a bid for the 2012 38 large regional jet RFP.

2% over the current CRJ 700 rate (not blended) for CAs.
4% over the current CRJ 700 rate (not blended) for FOs.

The CA rate is industry leading (in most years) for CAs when compared to current CRJ 900 operators. The FO rate is above industry average when compared to current CRJ 900 operators.

This is an LOA to the our current CBA. We are in section 6 negotiations and therefore the pay rates are amendable the day they become effective. (Pending pilot group ratification).

This is no way guarantees airplanes.

For those who don't want to see PSA get 900 (or any other airplane) Don't anyone worry, nothing good happens at PSA.

 

[ex j-41]

The pay-rates are so PSA can put in a bid for the 2012 38 large regional jet RFP.

2% over the current CRJ 700 rate (not blended) for CAs.
4% over the current CRJ 700 rate (not blended) for FOs.

I believe the rate was correct as above but if just 1 900 gets to PSA we would all get the blended rate. I don't think our company has the knowledge/ability to keep track of who fly's what, and pay them correctly.

 

[paulsalem]

The pay-rates are so
I believe the rate was correct as above but if just 1 900 gets to PSA we would all get the blended rate. I don't think our company has the knowledge/ability to keep track of who fly's what, and pay them correctly.

Correct. The raises are based on straight 700 rate, that is what I was told in the road show. It will be used for a blended rate.

 

[dooork]

It is a moot point. The cost does not have much to do with pilot pay, it is more about the lease payments....and good luck getting a better rate than MESA after BK.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I hope that PSA get's the CRJ-900s so that there may be better service. Mesa service is pretty bad. Actually, it's hard to have good service when there's no crew to man the airplane.

As all your Captains know so well! Single pilot 121, while you look out the window and drool while looking at all the shiny lights.
PBR

 

[rene]

I hope that PSA get's the CRJ-900s so that there may be better service. Mesa service is pretty bad. Actually, it's hard to have good service when there's no crew to man the airplane.

More than total BS. Mesa's Airways service, TCF, CCF, A-14, D-0 is and has been the best in the ssystem. Also, there have been zero crew issues.

But it doesn't matter if all you want to do is make up your facts.

I accept that you are entitled to your own opinons, I would argue that you are not entitled to your own facts.

 

[meyers9163]

More than total BS. Mesa's Airways service, TCF, CCF, A-14, D-0 is and has been the best in the ssystem. Also, there have been zero crew issues.

But it doesn't matter if all you want to do is make up your facts.

I accept that you are entitled to your own opinons, I would argue that you are not entitled to your own facts.

It is pretty simple when you call your own off and in times... Amazing how you call for a push at 1130z but you tell them you were out at 1115z...

 

[Jar Jar]

Question for the mouthbreathers at PSA:

Are your current 700 rates concessionary?

Thanks.