PSA Rumor Or Fact?

[WSurf]

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Yup that did happen in 2003, when I was in 11th grade. It was wrong but at least half of us had nothing to do with that. Now, IF these planes get voted in, how would Pdt. Be getting f----d again? Are they even bidding on them? Didn't your Pres. Say. .its not out nitch?

Piedmont's only nitch looks to be a ground service provider.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

No flame, just heard it today. Did PSA agree to fly the Mesa 900's for a 2 Percent Raise for Captains and 4% for FOs over the blended rates??

If so would that be cheaper then what Mesa flew them for?

Piedmont's only nitch looks to be a ground service provider.

That may be in jeopardy as well. I know in xna they are in the
process of outsourcing that station to regional elite. Shame, real nice folks there. One of them said it was happening in something like 7 cities. Airline biz. Outsource outsourced work.

 

[Jar Jar]

So are those 700 rates you fly under today concessionary?

 

[nethan]

The 700 rates are not.

EDIT: For clarification, LOA #3 contained the concessions on the 50 seat pay. LOA #8 has payrates for the 701.

8 > 3 etc. etc.

 

[WSurf]

That may be in jeopardy as well. I know in xna they are in the
process of outsourcing that station to regional elite. Shame, real nice folks there. One of them said it was happening in something like 7 cities. Airline biz. Outsource outsourced work.

We have gained a few stations too. But your right. Outsource, Outsoure! Eventually someone will provide a service so cheap nobody wants it. But then again in the Airlines..... maybe not.

 

[paulsalem]

Speaking of negotiations and blended rates...Are you guys (PSA) actually going to try to get straight rates per airplane, or just negotiate your blended rates for this upcoming contract?

I'm not sure.

Personally I hope not. I enjoy not worrying about what aircraft type I fly. In my base the lines are better (for me) on the 200 than the 700. The company pays out the same amount with or without a blended rate.

I do know that we have some pilots who are against it the blended rate. Including one who is on the negotiating committee.

 

[ex j-41]

Those who fly the 700 exclusively are subsidizing the 200 flying. I believe if you were the top 10 senior pilots you lose about $9k/year by us having the blended rate.

 

[Dragonbravo]

BTW I'm voting no since 4% is just not enough, as are many of the pilots here I know.[/QUOTE]

Dont get greedy. Yes, the Fo rates are low, but they are low across the board, the place to fight that is in contract negotiations not this LOA. And these rates are amendable in the current contract negotiations imediately after the LOA is passed. Remember the first time we had this situation they wanted us to take a frozen 200/700 blend to get the 900. Had we done that we would never gotten a 900 rate because we would have set a preciedence for flying the equipment at that the 200/700 rate. Now we at least have established a 900 rate that we can improve on later. We may not get everything we want at once, we may have to get it in steps. Thats why I'm voting yes.

 

[FMEpilot]

No hate or disrespect intended, but do you all really think that just because these rates are amendable with the current contract that is being negotiated that they will go beyond where they are in this LOA? Do you not think this has hurt your position for negotiating the 200/700 blend during your end game? What do you think the mediator will say when the company presents him/her with this LOA? Good enough for 6 months ago but not for now?

Major point: Especially if these planes don't show, up this loa REALLY hurts you when it's time to negotiate the blend in the end. I hope you see that.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

I see what you're saying but consider this. We vote yes: the company takes good faith negotiations and puts it on a shelf for the next 5 years. That is why I think its essential we get good rates now while company has incentive to negotiate.

 

[Sig]

FME: The one thing any pilot group needs to worry about is a pilot who works for a tiny operation, flying a defunct model of turboprop, and no prospects for a future in sight. They'd do just about anything to secure RJ flying at the expense of other pilots' careers, including their own.

That's right- a PSA pilot circa 2000.

 

[WSurf]

Unless Piedmont gets on the ball I see us going away by 2015. Why? First off theres absolutely no future growth. You wanna be a turbo prop FO for 5 years? Hence once the hiring starts.... JetBlue, VA, Delta, Airtran you are gonna see a big flux of Pilots from the regionals head over including Piedmont.
Now your gonna see companies like Republic, Compass, Airwhiskey, and others needing FO's. And guess where most are gonna come from?? You got it Piedmont..... Just like 3 years ago when everyone left Piedmont and the only people we could hire were the 300-500 hour pilots. I even think we've had 2 FO's with 3 years here already bail for Compass (which has a flow and a future).
That being said, now the FAA starts the 1500hr ATP requirements!!! Guess what no more pilots. Piedmont will then simply just start returning Airplanes and become a ground based operator.
Sad, because this airline has some great people. But unless you see new equipment or a flowthru I would bet most FO's and Junior Captains will be running away from this airline. And there won't be anyone around to replace them.

 

[Jar Jar]

Unless Piedmont gets on the ball I see us going away by 2015. Why? First off theres absolutely no future growth. You wanna be a turbo prop FO for 5 years? Hence once the hiring starts.... JetBlue, VA, Delta, Airtran you are gonna see a big flux of Pilots from the regionals head over including Piedmont.
Now your gonna see companies like Republic, Compass, Airwhiskey, and others needing FO's. And guess where most are gonna come from?? You got it Piedmont..... Just like 3 years ago when everyone left Piedmont and the only people we could hire were the 300-500 hour pilots. I even think we've had 2 FO's with 3 years here already bail for Compass (which has a flow and a future).
That being said, now the FAA starts the 1500hr ATP requirements!!! Guess what no more pilots. Piedmont will then simply just start returning Airplanes and become a ground based operator.
Sad, because this airline has some great people. But unless you see new equipment or a flowthru I would bet most FO's and Junior Captains will be running away from this airline. And there won't be anyone around to replace them.

You hit the nail on the head there.

However I would suggest that things are different now than they were in 2007. How? Well in 2007 PDTs fleet had a solid 6-8 years left on it, and now in 2010 its down to 3-5 years (on the 100s) assuming that no massive capital investment is made. Not many FOs want to work at a regional with a 3-5 year upgrade when 75% of the fleet expires just when they would be upgrading.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Unless Piedmont gets on the ball I see us going away by 2015. Why? First off theres absolutely no future growth. You wanna be a turbo prop FO for 5 years? Hence once the hiring starts.... JetBlue, VA, Delta, Airtran you are gonna see a big flux of Pilots from the regionals head over including Piedmont.
Now your gonna see companies like Republic, Compass, Airwhiskey, and others needing FO's. And guess where most are gonna come from?? You got it Piedmont..... Just like 3 years ago when everyone left Piedmont and the only people we could hire were the 300-500 hour pilots. I even think we've had 2 FO's with 3 years here already bail for Compass (which has a flow and a future).
That being said, now the FAA starts the 1500hr ATP requirements!!! Guess what no more pilots. Piedmont will then simply just start returning Airplanes and become a ground based operator.
Sad, because this airline has some great people. But unless you see new equipment or a flowthru I would bet most FO's and Junior Captains will be running away from this airline. And there won't be anyone around to replace them.

In 2007 everyone was hiring 300-500 hr pilots. Also, you need not worry about the 1500hr reg. IF and that's a huge IF, that every gets implemented it wouldn't be for another decade.

 

[sniper]

Unless Piedmont gets on the ball I see us going away by 2015. Why? First off theres absolutely no future growth. You wanna be a turbo prop FO for 5 years? Hence once the hiring starts.... JetBlue, VA, Delta, Airtran you are gonna see a big flux of Pilots from the regionals head over including Piedmont.
Now your gonna see companies like Republic, Compass, Airwhiskey, and others needing FO's. And guess where most are gonna come from?? You got it Piedmont..... Just like 3 years ago when everyone left Piedmont and the only people we could hire were the 300-500 hour pilots. I even think we've had 2 FO's with 3 years here already bail for Compass (which has a flow and a future).
That being said, now the FAA starts the 1500hr ATP requirements!!! Guess what no more pilots. Piedmont will then simply just start returning Airplanes and become a ground based operator.
Sad, because this airline has some great people. But unless you see new equipment or a flowthru I would bet most FO's and Junior Captains will be running away from this airline. And there won't be anyone around to replace them.

PSA will piss on Piedmont again. It did happen before and it will happen again. History always repeat itself, count on that.

All 14 700s should go to Piedmont and have PDT flying dash8s and 700s and PSA only 35 200's

Fair is fair

 

[WSurf]

PSA will piss on Piedmont again. It did happen before and it will happen again. History always repeat itself, count on that.

All 14 700s should go to Piedmont and have PDT flying dash8s and 700s and PSA only 35 200's

Fair is fair

Hahahahah! No! Perfect world would be PSA/Piedmont Combine! Operate all of US Airways flying with 700/900's along with Dash 8 300/400's! That would be an incredible fleet. But I'll put my Crown and Coke down now!

Also, PSA doesn't piss me off! They flew the D-328's that were gonna go. They needed a new fleet. Piedmont/ALG did what they did good. So why screw with a good operation.
I just wish we could upgrade to more 300's and some 400's.

 

[lindsaya99]

Dont get greedy.

Excuse me? I would hardly call a 4% raise on top of our mediocre pay rates "greedy." Also, if we vote yes on LOA 11 then we guarantee that our contract negotiations will be dragged out for years. CRJ 900 rates were management's idea. It is the only negotiating capital we have at this point. Lets not give it away. Vote no!

 

[Crzipilot]

Those who fly the 700 exclusively are subsidizing the 200 flying. I believe if you were the top 10 senior pilots you lose about $9k/year by us having the blended rate.

Kinda scary thought process here. The Senior guys already got their gold, when they negotiated the original pay rates.

Didn't capt's get about a 20-30% pay increase, while the f/o's got what.....3%?? "Yup you'll be be senior sometime son"

Now the Sr. capt's not happy with that screwing, want to screw the Jr. capts' (who BTW were those Jr F/O's) and get their money money back?

Not to mention the pressure you'll put on guys to commute to fly the heavy again...HAHAHA

 

[sniper]

Hahahahah! No! Perfect world would be PSA/Piedmont Combine! Operate all of US Airways flying with 700/900's along with Dash 8 300/400's! That would be an incredible fleet. But I'll put my Crown and Coke down now!

Also, PSA doesn't piss me off! They flew the D-328's that were gonna go. They needed a new fleet. Piedmont/ALG did what they did good. So why screw with a good operation.
I just wish we could upgrade to more 300's and some 400's.

Fair statement.

Share or merge should be the goal for both PSA and PDT......

 

[sniper]

Here is a good one. I heard that at JFK few hrs ago.

Mesa is buying PSA and Piedmont as soon as they come out of BK for 45 million and 5 year extension on their 900s.