Delta hiring

[FBN0223]

FBN, if you do not see through that legal hand waving, there is not much I can do for you.

Legal hand waving? Bottom line: While there are attempts to put a finger down on the exact staffing number, they admitted that the situation at Delta right now is very dynamic. After the MAY AE, required staffing levels should become more clear. I realize that on this board discussion involves speculation. From what I am hearing, Spring 2011 would be the earliest for hiring but more likely in 2012. If we hire earlier, that'd be great.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

If that is the case there would be no reason to make a decision on it in three weeks as they stated publicly last week.

Even if they opt not to, that is fine. Short is good too, as long as pilots want to fly it. I personally like as much time at home as I can get, so more bodies is better.

 

[Varmint]

Has there been any talk of getting rid of the "banned from the almighty Delta" policy if you don't make it through the second day of the interview? I liked Northwest's policy of being able to re-interview in two years if you were not successful in the interview. Unfortunately, $30/hr just wouldn't cut it for the first year.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I do think that the 100+ seat flying will be decided in the next two to three years. I also know for a fact that given the demographics of this group at Delta, there is no way that they will be able to buy it with even a 40% bump. We are still reeling from the 50-70 seat outsourcing. People are sick of stagnation and realize that the best pay raise is progression no matter what the rate is. If the company really wants to have DCI fly these jets then they are going to have to bring more than their wallets. (It is not going to happen)

When was the last time that Delta flew 50-70 seaters?

PBS, work rule changes, and elimantion of the 3 man cockpit is what elimated Delta jobs....Not 50 seaters to ABY, VLD, DHN, and MGM.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

When was the last time that Delta flew 50-70 seaters?

PBS, work rule changes, and elimantion of the 3 man cockpit is what elimated Delta jobs....Not 50 seaters to ABY, VLD, DHN, and MGM.

You're only half right Joe. Sure the 3 man crew played a role but RJs were used to increase frequency to many many cities that used to be all mainline. SDF, YYZ, SAT, MDW, IND come to mind. Leo's hard on for RJs and frequency were as big or a bigger part of the decline of mainline service.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Has there been any talk of getting rid of the "banned from the almighty Delta" policy if you don't make it through the second day of the interview? I liked Northwest's policy of being able to re-interview in two years if you were not successful in the interview. Unfortunately, $30/hr just wouldn't cut it for the first year.

I think your also banned if you bust on the " 3 on 1 " face to face part as well. Not sure.

I look at the situation and don't see that they will be hurting for applicants anytime soon so I don't really see why they would consider changing the policy.

Can't say I agree with that 100% since we all have the potential to grow as pilots and individuals as the years go by, but it's their show to run.

 

[lakemead1]

I think your also banned if you bust on the " 3 on 1 " face to face part as well. Not sure.

I know several guys that were in that boat. It is my understanding that if they don't pass the panel interview on day 1 than they are done. They can pass the panel and not the testing on day one and can re-interview in 6 months. Day two is a different story. I have a lot of friends that didn't get through the second day and all have different types of letters. Some say "please don't apply again" and others are just polite letters stating that they can't hire them "at this time." I can't really get a straight answer from anybody about reinterviewing after the you get one of these letters.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The Policy was changed the last time around. Prior to 2007 you could interview twice. Could it change? Maybe, who knows.

Cog, is a six month wait.

Psyche and Medical are separate. Medical after the 1996 HIPPA laws is a simple yes or no. They get no deets and you have the ability to fix it first.
Psyche is a MMPI that you can retake that day, and a chat. You get a yes or a no.
This day does to a panel third party non-interviewing pilots, management, HR, and doctors. They give a yes or a no. I have not heard of anyone ever getting to re-interview after a no from that group.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When was the last time that Delta flew 50-70 seaters?

PBS, work rule changes, and elimination of the 3 man cockpit is what eliminated Delta jobs....Not 50 seaters to ABY, VLD, DHN, and MGM.

Of the cities you picked you are correct. But there are others that were mainline that are now all exclusively DCI. HSV, SDF, OKC, TUL, SHV, MLU, TYS, etc.

Three man crews and PBS accounted for probably about 2200 jobs in the combined group.

 

[charlieB]

JAM-BRO,
<<Come this summer, I plan on getting lots of GSs.>>

GS and vacation sell-back with guys on the street? At some airlines this behavior is considered lower than whale-poop. If they're short of bodies, they can recall some.

 

[Bert Harbenson]

JAM-BRO,
<<Come this summer, I plan on getting lots of GSs.>>

GS and vacation sell-back with guys on the street? At some airlines this behavior is considered lower than whale-poop. If they're short of bodies, they can recall some.

Everyone at DL is on furlough bypass. They all have had chances to come back.

 

[cargoflyr69]

When was the last time that Delta flew 50-70 seaters?

Northwest flew the DC-9-10 up until 2004. Many would argue that the -10 was the original RJ seating about 68.

These were mainline aircraft, piloted by mainline pilots, earning mainline paychecks.

There is no reason the New Delta can't do this again with aircraft of this size.

We at Delta should never give an inch when it comes to future scope, ever!

 

[Schwanker]

Northwest flew the DC-9-10 up until 2004. Many would argue that the -10 was the original RJ seating about 68.

These were mainline aircraft, piloted by mainline pilots, earning mainline paychecks.

There is no reason the New Delta can't do this again with aircraft of this size.

We at Delta should never give an inch when it comes to future scope, ever!

Actually 78 seats, but who's counting?

Schwanker

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So ACL, should this happen do you see any positives for former NWA poolies with regard to interviews at the new DAL?

What are you expecting? This is not flame....I'm just curious what a poolie thinks they are entitled to....

I believe all you want is an interview but how the order or who gets the first is up to Mother D since there is no rules or a policy be it Delta or NWA pool

 

[Superpilot92]

Northwest flew the DC-9-10 up until 2004. Many would argue that the -10 was the original RJ seating about 68.

These were mainline aircraft, piloted by mainline pilots, earning mainline paychecks.

There is no reason the New Delta can't do this again with aircraft of this size.

We at Delta should never give an inch when it comes to future scope, ever!

Agreed :beer:

 

[AnimalTale]

Northwest flew the DC-9-10 up until 2004. Many would argue that the -10 was the original RJ seating about 68.

These were mainline aircraft, piloted by mainline pilots, earning mainline paychecks.

There is no reason the New Delta can't do this again with aircraft of this size.

We at Delta should never give an inch when it comes to future scope, ever!

SHE IS SO CUTE. I love your Avatar.

CYA

 

[FBN0223]

Northwest flew the DC-9-10 up until 2004. Many would argue that the -10 was the original RJ seating about 68.

These were mainline aircraft, piloted by mainline pilots, earning mainline paychecks.

There is no reason the New Delta can't do this again with aircraft of this size.

We at Delta should never give an inch when it comes to future scope, ever!

Coming in 2012 to a Delta base near you, "The ALPA SPIN MACHINE"(aka TA the road shows). Without recapturing any of our 76 seat flying, ALPA will get us a 20% pay increase and claim victory.

During the road shows, Moak will have all his goons in place to quickly silence anyone pushing the limit on questioning. The goons will do their job perfectly and the smoke and mirrors will work once again. We'll end up signing off on a contract that continues to permit the massive outsourcing of our jobs for the acceptance of a pay raise that is still sub-standard.

Pushing the boundaries of down right pathetic is that once again many junior Delta pilots will vote yes.

 

[ugasucks]

Well I can tell you that HSV,MYR,LIT, TYS and the new ECP are back to a few mainline flights a day.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Coming in 2012 to a Delta base near you, "The ALPA SPIN MACHINE"(aka TA the road shows). Without recapturing any of our 76 seat flying, ALPA will get us a 20% pay increase and claim victory.

During the road shows, Moak will have all his goons in place to quickly silence anyone pushing the limit on questioning. The goons will do their job perfectly and the smoke and mirrors will work once again. We'll end up signing off on a contract that continues to permit the massive outsourcing of our jobs for the acceptance of a pay raise that is still sub-standard.

Pushing the boundaries of down right pathetic is that once again many junior Delta pilots will vote yes.

If LM is true to his word, he will not be the Master Chairman as C2012 comes to the pilots for vote.

I agree that you will probably not see a recapture of the 76 seat flying on this PWA, but we have a long way to go until we are at a point where a decision will be made. You and I could be wrong. A few DCI carriers could actually have higher pay rates than our on these jets. (Not that our pay is the entire issue)

DCI is moving away from smaller jets. As has been pointed out, we will probably see DCI at 400-500 jets in the next four years. DAL management really wants to move that to a lower number, but bigger jets. They would love more 76 seat jets......All of the reps I have talked to say um, nope.

 

[JOPILOT]

I would be considered a "junior DAL pilot" and I am not a LM fan. I will vote no, that is if I am given a vote? Very little has been ratified by our pilot group in the 3 years I have been on the property. Most everything that has been agreed to has been handed down as "this is what we (LM) agreed to". Unfortunately it seems this pilot union is ran by one Large Vagin^.

 

[Launchpad]

>> If they're short of bodies, they can recall some.
Everyone at DL is on furlough bypass. They all have had chances to come back.>>

Had the chance to come back and STILL RETAIN the option to come back.. Just needs to be active hiring to do so-

 

[Monster Buck]

If LM is true to his word, he will not be the Master Chairman as C2012 comes to the pilots for vote.

I agree that you will probably not see a recapture of the 76 seat flying on this PWA, but we have a long way to go until we are at a point where a decision will be made. You and I could be wrong. A few DCI carriers could actually have higher pay rates than our on these jets. (Not that our pay is the entire issue)

DCI is moving away from smaller jets. As has been pointed out, we will probably see DCI at 400-500 jets in the next four years. DAL management really wants to move that to a lower number, but bigger jets. They would love more 76 seat jets......All of the reps I have talked to say um, nope.

They say that now....ok, good but they better bucking say that in 2012 WHEN IT COUNTS!

 

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They say that now....ok, good but they better bucking say that in 2012 WHEN IT COUNTS!

Exactly.
You'll excuse my lack of faith in delta pilots. Their track is the worst in the industry when it comes to outsourcing.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well, Buck, keep on em. I know I am.

 

[FBN0223]

I agree that you will probably not see a recapture of the 76 seat flying on this PWA, but we have a long way to go until we are at a point where a decision will be made.

ACL
Here lies a major problem. If indeed our position is that 76 seat flying is gone and ALPA's line in the sand moves onwards and upwards to the 100 seat aircraft, it's a loss. The 76 seat is well on it's way to becoming, in many ways, as the 50 seat CRJ is currently. In other words, we will see EMB175s at every other gate. More flying gone to the DCIs and so it goes...

Delta pilots flying Delta jets. A great place to start with recapturing our flying is with the 76 seat aircraft. I'll vote "NO" and encourage others to do the same on any and all tentative agreements that do not take back the 76 seat flying with mainline pay rates and benefits.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I like the way you think. I am stating it as a collective "WE" Many guys are happy with what there in regard to 76 seat flying and worry about the other parts.

Vote No, I do not want to see more flying given away. That said, your first paragraph is exactly what I say when talking to the reps et al.

 

[Going2Baja]

Today I got a call from a friend that is transitioning from DC-9 to MD-90. His class was told recall notices to bypassers this fall. Anyone have any other info?

Baja.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Makes sense. I was told they should come out anytime from June-July to the end of Sept.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Today I got a call from a friend that is transitioning from DC-9 to MD-90. His class was told recall notices to bypassers this fall. Anyone have any other info?

Baja.

Why would you care.. Aren't you happy at Alaska Air??? Wasn't Alaska Air the best thing that ever happened to you? Stay over there, we don't need you here...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Maybe his merger committee is telling him to watch what we are doing!