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Shorter lift off point? I won't want to T/O flaps 8 in KEYW
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Shorter lift off point? I won't want to T/O flaps 8 in KEYW
What they should have done which he obviously recognized after the accident was to abort instead of adding the flaps on the go.
I kind of felt bad for the guy when he asked "why the # did I do that?" Just goes to show that it is that easy to screw up royally when you only have a second to think.
can somebody find the CVR transcripts for this gem?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20070223X00215&key=1
Nice MMQBing. But I don't see how you or anyone else could advocate aborting 80-V1 for this reason. CRJ experts have said Flap 8 doesn't make the airplane unflyable (in this situation at Charlie West).
I'd opine that 80-V1 is limited to the realm of engine fire/failure, windshear and wings falling off.
Instead of more MMQBing, let's discuss the subjective nature of unflyable, and how to quantify it in the seconds between 80 and V1.
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The real problem here is not that they inadvertantly took off with the wrong configuaration, but more importantly that they took off after displaying an unacceptably low level of professionalism during the preflight and initial delay.. I dont want to cast stones as to what happened on the take off (I didn't see the FDR and I have only read the transcript of the CVR). However I will say this, why not use that taxi / delay time in a productive manner for the flight? i.e both pilots can be heads down and concentrating on the T/O brief and a/c configuaration and set up. You can listen to the CVR alone and hear the lack of professionalism and command going on in that cockpit. If that guy was truly tired and wasnt adequately rested then why didnt he call Fatigued ? Ladies and Gentleman, I challenge everyone on this board whether you are a pilot for a major or flying a Beech 19OOD to carry yourself and conduct yourself in the most professional manor. MANAGE and TAKE COMMAND of your flight decks as if your spouse and child were riding in the back of your jet. THIS is SERIOUS BUSINESS. The days are over of being anything less than professional and flying these airplanes in any way other than company approved and documented procedures up to and including sterile cockpit on the ground as well as in the air. COMMAND is absolute. Lets start flying that way. Be Safe!
spoken like a true chump with absolutely NO experience..Some times company approved and documented will bite you in the butt!....The real problem here is not that they inadvertantly took off with the wrong configuaration, but more importantly that they took off after displaying an unacceptably low level of professionalism during the preflight and initial delay.. I dont want to cast stones as to what happened on the take off (I didn't see the FDR and I have only read the transcript of the CVR). However I will say this, why not use that taxi / delay time in a productive manner for the flight? i.e both pilots can be heads down and concentrating on the T/O brief and a/c configuaration and set up. You can listen to the CVR alone and hear the lack of professionalism and command going on in that cockpit. If that guy was truly tired and wasnt adequately rested then why didnt he call Fatigued ? Ladies and Gentleman, I challenge everyone on this board whether you are a pilot for a major or flying a Beech 19OOD to carry yourself and conduct yourself in the most professional manor. MANAGE and TAKE COMMAND of your flight decks as if your spouse and child were riding in the back of your jet. THIS is SERIOUS BUSINESS. The days are over of being anything less than professional and flying these airplanes in any way other than company approved and documented procedures up to and including sterile cockpit on the ground as well as in the air. COMMAND is absolute. Lets start flying that way. Be Safe!