breaking into the corparate market?

[AbOvo]

Will the media show up at your house if you have an accident in a corporate jet? I'm sure they were at the Renslow house, the Sullenberger house, the Skiles house, and the houses of the Northwest pilots. Perhaps that is part of the stress the 121 guys are talking about. Certainly a corporate pilot's family wouldn't have to deal with that situation.

The common association in 121 is that compensation is concurrent with responsibility for a certain number of lives. It's just the way it's done there and doesn't translate to corporate flying. From my personal experience corporate flying is much more demanding because you don't have the support network or the consistency of 121. The fact that in Part 121 the FAA can jumpseat at any time, a line check can happen at any time, and you can be pulled off line at a whim makes the accountability question moot.

 

[Caveman]

How in the world could you possible come to that conclusion? The stakes are higher? Sitting in your cockpit while the gate agents and flight attendants load 150+ "lives" is more stressful then flying a few people who know you by your first name and hold you personally responsible if EVERYTHING isn't perfect about their flight?

After your city bus is filled with self-loading cargo that is happy they saved three dollars on their ticket and could not care less if a retarded monkey was flying their airplane, you get to lock yourself behind the cockpit door and hide behind your union contract if you screw up.

Are you just another airline guy who doesn't get it?

Quit being so damn sensitive and learn to read. I already said it was a poor example, but since you brought it up again I stand by the concept. Landing an airliner in crappy conditions is just a bit different than doing the same thing in a corporate jet. I know your fragile little ego will never accept that. Tough.

To everybody else involved in this thread, I know it takes a different skillset to be a corporate pilot than it does to be an airline pilot. A low time corporate pilot is more competitive for a corporate job than a low time airline guy is. I get that, but at some point experience has to trump type ratings. A high time corporate pilot should have a reasonable shot a getting a job with a major airline and a high time airline pilot should have a reasonable shot at getting a good corporate job. Neither should have to start out at the bottom again. Even though there are differences their experience should allow them to transition to a new kind of flying without much difficulty. You may disagree with my premise, but anybody trying to read more into my posts than that simple point is missing the point. I wasn't trying to insult anybody.

 

[LJ45]

Will the media show up at your house if you have an accident in a corporate jet? I'm sure they were at the Renslow house, the Sullenberger house, the Skiles house, and the houses of the Northwest pilots. Perhaps that is part of the stress the 121 guys are talking about. Certainly a corporate pilot's family wouldn't have to deal with that situation.

The common association in 121 is that compensation is concurrent with responsibility for a certain number of lives. It's just the way it's done there and doesn't translate to corporate flying. From my personal experience corporate flying is much more demanding because you don't have the support network or the consistency of 121. The fact that in Part 121 the FAA can jumpseat at any time, a line check can happen at any time, and you can be pulled off line at a whim makes the accountability question moot.

really? so the media would care about a CEO of a major corporation, Senator, Governor, Celebrity etc... on board.

 

[ttflyer]

I know your fragile little ego will never accept that. Tough.

I'm sure it takes a larger, much more resilient ego to fly the "big" jets than it does to fly the little jets I fly... Another reason I'm glad I stayed in this segment of the industry.

I'm not an airline guy, so I can't speak to how "different" it is flying an airliner. Personally, I don't factor who, how many or even if any people are in the back when I make decisions. I take care of myself and everything / everybody behind me will be fine. Most airline pilots I know say the same thing.

Or by different, did you mean big jets are harder to fly? That may be the case, I don't know...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Will the media show up at your house if you have an accident in a corporate jet? I'm sure they were at the Renslow house, the Sullenberger house, the Skiles house, and the houses of the Northwest pilots. Perhaps that is part of the stress the 121 guys are talking about. Certainly a corporate pilot's family wouldn't have to deal with that situation.

Yes, good ole' Sully really seems stressed with all this media attention, I bet its hard to fight through the cameras to make it on time for the book signing or the Morning shows.

 

[Caveman]

I'm sure it takes a larger, much more resilient ego to fly the "big" jets than it does to fly the little jets I fly... Another reason I'm glad I stayed in this segment of the industry.

I'm not an airline guy, so I can't speak to how "different" it is flying an airliner. Personally, I don't factor who, how many or even if any people are in the back when I make decisions. I take care of myself and everything / everybody behind me will be fine. Most airline pilots I know say the same thing.

Or by different, did you mean big jets are harder to fly? That may be the case, I don't know...

Dude, let it go. You're reading an insult that's not there.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Landing an airliner in crappy conditions is just a bit different than doing the same thing in a corporate jet. I know your fragile little ego will never accept that. Tough.

Now THIS ya gotta expand on Ace....

Usually the FI.com limit for incredibly f'n stupid statements is 2/day.

Your quota has been met!

 

[ttflyer]

Dude, let it go. You're reading an insult that's not there.

I actually counted two insults in your post. One about my ability to read and one about the strength and size of my ego... But I am now bored with FI and your advice is good. I will let it go and move on the other things...

 

[solpilot]

Dude, let it go. You're reading an insult that's not there.

I think we all read it correctly. Why such animosity? Are you jealous of us inferior corporate guys, or just a tool?

 

[gear_guy]

Caveman-

I tried to throw you a line, but you're on your own now. I don't understand why you are trying to say that flying an airliner in crappy conditions is harder than a small jet. When was the last time you shot an approach to mins at a non towered airport in timbucktoo. My guess is not very often. You probably have your quota of straight in ILS's to 10k foot runways. You probably don't want to get in a shouting match about which job is more challenging.

 

[solpilot]

By the way Caveman,

When you get furloughed and are interviewing for a corporate job I think you should mention how much harder it is to fly an airliner.

 

[Caveman]

Alright. You guys win. I'm outta here. Didn't mean to offend. Not trying to stroke my ego or insult yours. I made one poorly worded example, apologized for it and a couple of you still won't let it go. You go ahead and stay focused on that one item and ignore the bigger conversation we were trying to have.

Thanks Gear Guy, I should have just let it go myself. Blue skies......

 

[fob727]

I love these who has the biggest D#ck contests!

It's all in the work ethic and professionalism.:beer:

 

[cjdriver]

Just to change the tone of this thread slightly I'll make two points:

1. Every corporate job is different. It's hard to compare any corporate job to any other flying job, even other corporate jobs. A good corporate job is fantastic. A bad one is hell. There are very few good ones out there.

2. The toughest flying I've experienced is getting back in to my home base in winter with a non precision, circling approach at night with a 25-35kt crosswind onto a short, contaminated runway. Not something an airline guy is going to be doing very often if at all. In that regard, I think corporate flying is more demanding of flying skills.

In regards to stress, I don't think I would feel any more or less stressed with 150 strangers in the back as opposed to the CEO. When I'm up front flying, That's what I focus on. I actually enjoy knowing the pax on a first name basis, and I wouldn't like having to deal with the ignorant masses I see getting on the airlines.

And yes, right now I have one of the great corporate jobs.

 

[TMMT]

Just to change the tone of this thread slightly I'll make two points:

1. Every corporate job is different. It's hard to compare any corporate job to any other flying job, even other corporate jobs.

That is one of the hardest points to make to an outsider especially an airline guy/gal I dunno why but it is...


And flying the same core group of passengers is just as beneficial as flying with the same co pilot or co captain day in and day out. Then begin to learn you and you know what they want and expect.

My core passengers know me and know that I am going to do everything I can to make the flight safe and timely. They know that I don't cut corners and when I miss an approach or make the call to divert to an alternate enroute its for everyones safety and they do not question me. Because they know me, have flown with me for years and know that I will do my best to get them into their original destination airport.

Same goes for same crews, I know the person I work with and vice versa. We each have a style to our legs and know what the other person wants or needs pretty much without prompt.