Republic to operate EMB-190s for Midwest

[samballs]

Not funny for anyone. Here's the scariest scenario:

SWA announces merger/aquisition of Midwest. In the new TA the Republic RJs come along too. Next thing you know SWA E190s are flying around everywhere by pilots being paid jack.

OK that makes no sense, SWA can just wait for MW to go out of business. Good thing will be RP will be heavy at that point. You guys voted on that contract, and thats why you are undercutters,. Karmas a b!tch.

 

[SF340Guy]

No one will quit or not fly on principle, they'll blame it on management.

You would quit??? On principal??? Really???

Sorry wife, I can't put food on the table. Sorry son, I can't put braces on your teeth. Sorry daughter, no prom dress this year, but hey feel better knowing that someone we don't know is in the same position as us. He lost his job because of the free market, but hey, at least I have my principles. My management team grew my company at another companies expense, so I had to quit. Enjoy your ramen noodles.

Cmon... did Skywest pilots quit their jobs when Skyway went out of business? Did Air Wisconsin guys quit when ACA went under? There are thousands of examples, and this is just the latest in the long line of, union busting, and airline managements trying to lower the bar...

 

[CitationLover]

You can't point at these guys and call them dirt because of a move management made.
However, if they don't fight for a mainline pay scale for these planes, I'll be sure to point and call names.

Edit: I see you guys already voted for 190 pay scale. Weak. And knowing that, maybe your names should be known as, Mud.

Our f'ing pay rates are for an 88 seat (technically a 60 seat DC-9) airplane. Their sh!tty payrates are for a 100 seat airplane.

Those w************************* have a lot of catching up to do.

Hope they get parked and 3/4 of the Republic pilots get furloughed when "Jesus" Bedford sells them out to the Mesa horde.

 

[CitationLover]

Flight crews are not responsible for the business decisions of the company they work for. It is not Republic's fault for Midwest's past financial difficulties. I dislike the fact that flight crews and other company employees, are the ones who pay the awful price of loosing their jobs based on managements decisions. It is what it is, business. It's awful in the sense that yes people will probably loose jobs, but for investors and management, it's the right thing to do. I really don't think, OR AT LEAST I WOULD HOPE NOT, that the employees of one company wish bad luck for those of another.

Sit on the other end and you will have a different take on it sporto. Better not see you complain about Mesa at all. Is Johnny O your hero?

 

[lookin4better]

In one sense its nice to things happening with the regionals in another is disgusting to think I will most likely make a career at one.

Most will get stuck.... look around most will still be there in 20 years.... all the regionals will be like Eagle looks like now with old pilots everywhere.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Before all educational purposes is lost in this thread, what responsibility do the Midwest pilots hold regarding scope? Did the remaining pilots sign off on something to allow this? Was it already in place? I'm not knowledgeable on their contract.

 

[SF340Guy]

You don't get it. It's not about pay. It's the fact that a regional is replacing a major on their routes with mainline airplanes. It should never happen.

A major, really... You don't get it. 394 pilots and 21 airplanes is not a major, they are simply a company that has their own brand, and a marketing department. Did you get your 4 year degree to work at Midwest? They are a great pilot group, I have met several of them, but really? Turning down Airtran is going to turn out to be the worst mistake they ever made, if Midwest was really their ultimate goal.

I don't want 1 pilot on the street, and I especially dont want 1 of my pilots on the street.

 

[CitationLover]

I always thought we would see mainline airplanes at Skywest first. I guess it was Republic. Well all I can say is who didn't see this coming from a mile away? There are hundreds of 170 pilots that will be celebrating today. The fact of the matter is no republic pilot will do anything about this just like they didn't when their 170s directly put hundreds of mainline on the streets. No one will quit or not fly on principle, they'll blame it on management. I think ALPA or a strike may be able to stop them but the fact that it's already confirmed means it's probably hopeless.

Of course. Their out is the old tried and true "blame management". They're cheering today for putting more on the street.

Hey Prater wake up in your crystal tower you old baffoon. How about my old rep Couette enjoying his fat cat salary? WTFU and say something. They must like non-ALPA carriers gladly lapping up former ALPA flying.

 

[CitationLover]

You would quit??? On principal??? Really???

Sorry wife, I can't put food on the table. Sorry son, I can't put braces on your teeth. Sorry daughter, no prom dress this year, but hey feel better knowing that someone we don't know is in the same position as us. He lost his job because of the free market, but hey, at least I have my principles. My management team grew my company at another companies expense, so I had to quit. Enjoy your ramen noodles.

Cmon... did Skywest pilots quit their jobs when Skyway went out of business? Did Air Wisconsin guys quit when ACA went under? There are thousands of examples, and this is just the latest in the long line of, union busting, and airline managements trying to lower the bar...

Look up definition of a "Yes-man". You are one.

 

[CX880]

Not funny for anyone. Here's the scariest scenario:

SWA announces merger/aquisition of Midwest. In the new TA the Republic RJs come along too. Next thing you know SWA E190s are flying around everywhere by pilots being paid jack.

That is pretty scary. The sight of an E190 in SWA colors??

 

[flyboyzz1]

so who's worse... mesa or republic...will the random posts start saying Republic sucks.

 

[CitationLover]

Before all educational purposes is lost in this thread, what responsibility do the Midwest pilots hold regarding scope? Did the remaining pilots sign off on something to allow this? Was it already in place? I'm not knowledgeable on their contract.

It's simply Midwest management pushing the limit of the Arbitrator's decision regarding the Republic "code-share". Nevermind Republic sells no tickets or details like that.

No sign off. For one year we were threatened with our jobs if we didn't accept $88 CA rates and $37 FO rates. We HELD the LINE unlike a lot of other carriers. And lookie-here, management gets their $88/$37 rates from the Republic lapdogs.

I hope Tim doesn't pay Republic. Then in a fit of rage Bedford tries to kill him and they kill each other like Rocky II. Two birds with one stone.

 

[hockeypilot44]

OK that makes no sense, SWA can just wait for MW to go out of business. Good thing will be RP will be heavy at that point. You guys voted on that contract, and thats why you are undercutters,. Karmas a b!tch.

Southwest can buy a company to get regional feed. It has nothing to do with Midwest going out of business. It has everything to do with pilot scope. That being said, I don't think Southwest will buy Midwest. This is a ploy to get around Delta scope. The next step is to open up a aMidwest 190 base in Atlanta followed by a code-share to all Delta flights.

 

[Abernathy]

Pretty soon we'll be seeing A319s at Skywest. This is what I think has been going on:

Mainline management is sick of paying pilots more money than regional pilots, so they will slowly turn the entire industry over (over several years) into an industry that pays all pilots based on today's regional payscale model. Think about it. Soon enough, Delta management will partner up with some regional, give away all the flying and take a golden parachute, with all the new 757's going to Skywest inc for a $98/hr captain topout, and ALPA will be on the sidelines cutting off its tiny a$$ balls with a dull blade during a road show.

 

[CitationLover]

Southwest can buy a company to get regional feed. It has nothing to do with Midwest going out of business. It has everything to do with pilot scope. That being said, I don't think Southwest will buy Midwest. This is a ploy to get around Delta scope. The next step is to open up a aMidwest 190 base in Atlanta followed by a code-share to all Delta flights.

That's fine with me. Schnedorf warned Moak for the longest time regarding this with his only response being a middle finger back at us.

 

[samballs]

Southwest can buy a company to get regional feed. It has nothing to do with Midwest going out of business. It has everything to do with pilot scope. That being said, I don't think Southwest will buy Midwest. This is a ploy to get around Delta scope. The next step is to open up a aMidwest 190 base in Atlanta followed by a code-share to all Delta flights.

Funny thing is, they don't have to go around DL scope. All they have to do is ask DL pilots to give up scope for a 3.00 pay raise, and they would in a heart beat.

 

[CX880]

Pretty soon we'll be seeing A319s at Skywest. This is what I think has been going on:

Mainline management is sick of paying pilots more money than regional pilots, so they will slowly turn the entire industry over (over several years) into an industry that pays all pilots based on today's regional payscale model. Think about it. Soon enough, Delta management will partner up with some regional, give away all the flying and take a golden parachute, with all the new 757's going to Skywest inc for a $98/hr captain topout, and ALPA will be on the sidelines cutting off its tiny a$$ balls with a dull blade during a road show.

I think Spirit would love to have 60/30 split for their A319 crews. And I believe they don't have scope. Next project for Republic!!!

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Pretty soon we'll be seeing A319s at Skywest. This is what I think has been going on:

Mainline management is sick of paying pilots more money than regional pilots, so they will slowly turn the entire industry over (over several years) into an industry that pays all pilots based on today's regional payscale model. Think about it. Soon enough, Delta management will partner up with some regional, give away all the flying and take a golden parachute, with all the new 757's going to Skywest inc for a $98/hr captain topout, and ALPA will be on the sidelines cutting off its tiny a$$ balls with a dull blade during a road show.

Skywest won't get a319/320s. They will get what will be designed to replace them. The C-series or whatever is in the desgin phase right now.

Welcome aboard Continental connection Flight 8666 operated by Gulfstream Airline's brand new Canadair C-1000 with service from KEWR straight to Hell with a stop in KLAX.

 

[Tarzan]

Welcome aboard Continental connection Flight 8666 operated by Gulfstream Airline's brand new Canadair C-1000 with service from KEWR straight to Hell with a stop in KLAX.

I don't care who ya are.... That there was funny!

 

[Tarzan]

I'm rubber, your glue, ... blah, blah, blah...

We haven't voted for any 190 payscales. Our payscales haven't changed since 2003, when our contract was signed. The pay scales are based on number of seats, not aircraft type. We don't have payscales for a 100 seat aircraft, so if mgmt. wants to have that discussion, they haven't notified any of us. Maybe the union knows something, but the general seniority list sure does not.

Airline Pilot Central has it listed like that improperly.

Republic sucks.