Should an ATP be required for both pilots?

[WayBack]

Sure you did, WayBack. We were all born perfect pilots.....

That has nothing to do with it. I had a regional captain as my instructor and made it a point since day one.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

So who are the spineless D-bags that voted undecided?

 

[Salukipilot4590]

wow 81 to 16...that pretty much says it...

 

[imacdog]

I might be reading this wrong, but are you saying all you want them to do is pass the ATP ride?

Pretty much, yes, along with all the other requirements of holding an ATP. I don't care how they get the experience necessary to qualify for an ATP, whether it be military, instruction, charter, freight, etc, I just want to know when I'm sitting in the back of an airliner that both pilots up front are rated airline transport pilots.

 

[WayBack]

Pretty much, yes, along with all the other requirements of holding an ATP. I don't care how they get the experience necessary to qualify for an ATP, whether it be military, instruction, charter, freight, etc, I just want to know when I'm sitting in the back of an airliner that both pilots up front are rated airline transport pilots.

Ok, because you know that places like All ATP will put you through the motions, just to pass the check ride. That's good enough for you? So then what's really the point of making them meet the requirement knowing there are schools like this, and you can just drop $2500 and a day later have the rating??

 

[rustypigeon]

Ok, because you know that places like All ATP will put you through the motions, just to pass the check ride. That's good enough for you? So then what's really the point of making them meet the requirement knowing there are schools like this, and you can just drop $2500 and a day later have the rating??

How is continuing to allow 250 hour pilots to fly 121 going to make the industry better or safer?

 

[WayBack]

How is continuing to allow 250 hour pilots to fly 121 going to make the industry better or safer?

I never said let 250 hour guys continue to be hired.
Just saying the ATP rating isn't going to save it.

 

[BoilerUP]

Seriously...

How many pilots have been hired into regional airline cockpits in the last decade with <300hrs?

Probably a VERY small percentage of the overall number.

Let one not have the argument of added experience get muddled in hyperbole about n00b pilots just hours removed from a checkride in a Seminole being thrown into RJs.

 

[imacdog]

Ok, because you know that places like All ATP will put you through the motions, just to pass the check ride. That's good enough for you? So then what's really the point of making them meet the requirement knowing there are schools like this, and you can just drop $2500 and a day later have the rating??

Sure but it's no different from a place like All ATPs or that crappy CAPT program putting someone through the motions at 250 hours for the commercial, just to pass the check ride. Somewhere between 250 hours and 1500 hours, experience is going to be gained.

To reiterate:

An ATP rating requires six times the total experience as the commercial rating. See the difference?

 

[imacdog]

Seriously...

How many pilots have been hired into regional airline cockpits in the last decade with <300hrs?

Probably a VERY small percentage of the overall number.

I can name someone who got hired at Colgan with 650 hours. How did that work out for those passengers? What about the inexperienced-when-hired Pinnacle pilots - what did that poor RJ ever do to them that deserved melting both engines while they played cowboy at FL410?