Southwest and Frontier?

[Mamma]

Now, if we could only convince you guys to clean up all the B.S. on your EFIS displays, life would be grand!

In addition, if we could just clean up all the B.S. on our gazillions of call-outs..

 

[Old School 737]

The lamest thing I have seen at SWA is having the FO call out the RA as you come down the glide slope. 500,400,300,200, enough already!!!!

 

[FR8dognit]

The lamest thing I have seen at SWA is having the FO call out the RA as you come down the glide slope. 500,400,300,200, enough already!!!!

That is going away

 

[PropPiedmont]

That is going away

Just a short 5 years away now.

 

[The Victors]

The only way you'll ever see swa attempt to acquire any other airline is if someone else tries it first. example: some other airline strolls into Denver to buy Frontier, then you'll see GK in the bidding and only then.

 

[swa737-700]

I'd have to agree. The 737 type rating is not an issue at Alaska because ALL our guys have them. And considering the amount of crapola our training department throws at us every recurrent, I'd venture a guess that crosstraining to the SWA system isn't an issue.

And while its true that in the past, SWA has "given pilots interviews" part of the reason was to eliminate people SWA had rejected.

The ATA model is flawed because a large number of their pilots were not current in the 737.

We're all current and qualified. While DoH is not a component of Allegheny-Mohawk, some sort of ratioed integration would be the fairest way to go. After all, there are no "career expectation" issues since all either of us could aspire to is a 737 left seat.

Now, if we could only convince you guys to clean up all the B.S. on your EFIS displays, life would be grand!

Folks,

I have no idea if anything is in the offing. That being said, there is no such thing as a "fair and equitable" integration, whether you talk allegheny/mohawk or whatever. What is fair to one group will not be fair to the other group. Don't forget about the Bond/McKaskill (sp?) amendment concerning mergers/purchases...and don't forget about the "fair and equitable" integration between TWA and aa. If you are not familiar, I suggest you get that way, and soon.

 

[Old School 737]

The only way you'll ever see swa attempt to acquire any other airline is if someone else tries it first. example: some other airline strolls into Denver to buy Frontier, then you'll see GK in the bidding and only then.

Since we all think Delta is buying us then might this be the response from SWA. Get them before Delta does??

 

[Daddy]

I am in complete disagreement on the appropriateness of telling your wife you want to tap this girl or that girl. You should be able to tell your wife anything. Ideally, your wife should be asking you,"Honey, would you like to tap that?" Now if you responded with,"Hell, yeah...she's WAY hotter than you!" then you're just stupid.

 

[Mamma]

I am in complete disagreement on the appropriateness of telling your wife you want to tap this girl or that girl. You should be able to tell your wife anything. Ideally, your wife should be asking you,"Honey, would you like to tap that?" Now if you responded with,"Hell, yeah...she's WAY hotter than you!" then you're just stupid.

Point taken although I think saying something like this out loud to my wife would be counter-productive in the long run!

 

[Ocity]

Now, if we could only convince you guys to clean up all the B.S. on your EFIS displays, life would be grand!

Can we get them to stop the embarrassing jokes and gay rapping before we paint the planes?

 

[Fubijaakr]

What is fair to one group will not be fair to the other group. Don't forget about the Bond/McKaskill (sp?) amendment concerning mergers/purchases...and don't forget about the "fair and equitable" integration between TWA and aa. If you are not familiar, I suggest you get that way, and soon.

TWA/AA was more a matter of the TWA MEC rolling over and playing dead than Allegheny/Mohawk.

Look, you guys have about 6000 pilots. We have 1500.
So, assuming DoH is a non-starter under Allegheny-Mohawk for either party, what's wrong with a 4-1 ratio integration?

4 SWA, 1 AS, 4 SWA, 1 AS and so forth.

Of course, you wouldn't think that's fair since you seem to be a Swingline proponent. However, that's just a bit self-serving, don't you think?

Personally, I liked the way DAL/NWA did it. No one over there lost more than 3 or 4% seniority. That seems acceptable to me.

 

[RedDogC130]

TWA/AA was more a matter of the TWA MEC rolling over and playing dead than Allegheny/Mohawk.

Look, you guys have about 6000 pilots. We have 1500.
So, assuming DoH is a non-starter under Allegheny-Mohawk for either party, what's wrong with a 4-1 ratio integration?

4 SWA, 1 AS, 4 SWA, 1 AS and so forth.

Of course, you wouldn't think that's fair since you seem to be a Swingline proponent. However, that's just a bit self-serving, don't you think?

Personally, I liked the way DAL/NWA did it. No one over there lost more than 3 or 4% seniority. That seems acceptable to me.

4-5 to 1 is reasonable...

 

[Daddy]

Our BoD would never allow it though because it will "hurt" senior guys more than junior. Stand by to be screwed on this one folks....man, we need a recall

 

[swa737-700]

TWA/AA was more a matter of the TWA MEC rolling over and playing dead than Allegheny/Mohawk.

Look, you guys have about 6000 pilots. We have 1500.
So, assuming DoH is a non-starter under Allegheny-Mohawk for either party, what's wrong with a 4-1 ratio integration?

4 SWA, 1 AS, 4 SWA, 1 AS and so forth.

Of course, you wouldn't think that's fair since you seem to be a Swingline proponent. However, that's just a bit self-serving, don't you think?

Personally, I liked the way DAL/NWA did it. No one over there lost more than 3 or 4% seniority. That seems acceptable to me.

Here we go. Like I said in my first post, get familiar with what REALLY happened with the TWA/aa merger. To suggest the TWA MEC rolled over is absolute BS. It is precisely because they did NOT roll over that the lawsuit continues...ask any of the apa boys...and ALPO national.

4:1 ratio? Sorry, but I doubt it.

Here is some friendly advice from an aviator who has lived this nightmare: Don't worry about this until it happens. This entire string is a rumor!!! The TWA/aa merger is fact. Learn it.

 

[scoreboardII]

Exactly.


Besides, we are buying Alaska.

 

[Mamma]

Here we go. Like I said in my first post, get familiar with what REALLY happened with the TWA/aa merger. To suggest the TWA MEC rolled over is absolute BS. It is precisely because they did NOT roll over that the lawsuit continues...ask any of the apa boys...and ALPO national.

4:1 ratio? Sorry, but I doubt it.

Here is some friendly advice from an aviator who has lived this nightmare: Don't worry about this until it happens. This entire string is a rumor!!! The TWA/aa merger is fact. Learn it.

What ratio would you recommend?

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

I would look closely at the DAL/NWA integration. I would bet this will be par for the course of mergers to come...

Yogi

 

[slaquer5]

TWA/AA was more a matter of the TWA MEC rolling over and playing dead than Allegheny/Mohawk.

Look, you guys have about 6000 pilots. We have 1500.
So, assuming DoH is a non-starter under Allegheny-Mohawk for either party, what's wrong with a 4-1 ratio integration?

4 SWA, 1 AS, 4 SWA, 1 AS and so forth.

Of course, you wouldn't think that's fair since you seem to be a Swingline proponent. However, that's just a bit self-serving, don't you think?

Personally, I liked the way DAL/NWA did it. No one over there lost more than 3 or 4% seniority. That seems acceptable to me.

I am just one vote but I think that is more than fair. JMO

 

[igneousy2]

...Besides, a SWA buyout would be the BEST thing that could happen to Alaska pilots.

I think you need to speak for yourself. There are a probably a lot of Alaska pilots that at one time or another would have loved to have been SWA pilots, however, hate to break the news to everybody but not EVERYBODY wants to fly for SWA.

The only reason SWA has the highest paid pilots right now is because the rest of us came down to SWA's level not because SWA is the one that somehow raised the bar.

I like having a retirement other than profit sharing and a stingy 401k match.

I like flying airplanes with a lot of the bells and whistles...

I like that we have a culture in which it is NOT okay to taxi at speeds approaching V1.

I'd be perfectly fine if SWA didn't buy us...and I definetly wouldn't feel like it was the best thing that ever happened to me.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, IF it happened you could always quit.