Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[bailout]

Thats a great video... freaky that they land on rwy 23 at the end also.

But the closing statements hit hard and it could have absolutely been any of us....

 

[CX880]

I think the NTSB said the loss of control happened after Flaps 15. I'd be worried like you with those large CP changes with a tail that by all accounts could use more surface area.

I really doubt Bombardier engineers eyeball the proper size of a control surface, do you? I've always thought that the A340-600 vertical stab doesn't look proportional to the fuselage, should I look into launching an investigation of Airbus?

Whatever happened, and if indeed it was icing, most likely they were still on AP. Too much icing and being on AP means that when it kicks off, it's too late.

 

[say again]

God bless all involved!!!

 

[goodgig]

Sounds like the loss of control happened just after the final flaps setting. If so, the q400 quite aggressively pitches during the transition from 15 to 35 degrees...especially with the auto on. Also, the elevator buffets like crazy while configured at flaps 35. Neither of those scenarios makes me feel good when flying an inverted elevator in icing with the autopilot on.

Clue please: What' an inverted elevator???

 

[The Prussian]

Clue please: What' an inverted elevator???

Watch the video posted by 310 above..

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I really doubt Bombardier engineers eyeball the proper size of a control surface, do you? I've always thought that the A340-600 vertical stab doesn't look proportional to the fuselage, should I look into launching an investigation of Airbus?

No, but I'd like to investigate why my CRJ has air conditioning vents on the floor and flaps that won't extend on a regular basis.

Who knows. ATR screwed up the boot design and the FAA put a rubber stamp on it. You never know.

 

[goodgig]

I have not seen that video recently, but aren't all elevators "inverted"? Unless you are flying a piagio.

 

[cjdriver]

Do you regional guys practice the tail icing recovery maneuver in training? I've had it on occasion in various corporate training. It's worth going through as it's not something you would naturally do in that circumstance.

 

[Publishers]

Being the media, there are some protocols of today that are going to be there and in the new world required speed to get something up, there are going to be mistakes.
First, you will always find a -this is not terrorism statement.
Second, you will see the aircraft and history of it and the airline.
Third, anyone who saw the accident- usually ill informed but as most people do not know what a stall is, engine spooling noises, etc. it is difficult.
As someone who miscalled the Chalks accident in Miami initially, you go with your best informed guess. How many times does a wing spar fail versus uncontained engine failure leading to fire.
Lastly, you are trying to explain to an uneducated watcher, not do accident investigation.
I thought CNN who I have worked with had a good spot on how rare accidents are.

 

[Raskal]

Do you regional guys practice the tail icing recovery maneuver in training? I've had it on occasion in various corporate training. It's worth going through as it's not something you would naturally do in that circumstance.

I've only seen tailplane stalls when doing recurrent at Simuflite and Simcom for hawkers, I've never seen it here at the airline.