Moral sinking at FLOPS

[B19 Flyer]

Then per B19's desire, I hereby request that all who respond to B19's lies, address him as Bob19.

We might as well give the man what makes him happy, especially if it costs us nothing.

Call it a Gift for the Holiday Season.

Freedom is Not Free

I fail to see where any of my "opinions" are lies, but whatever floats your boat go ahead and do it.

I'm the one with a stable job, you are the one begging your union to make good on the promises they made three years ago.

 

[fischman]

Your job is not stable. You are in aviation. No one's job is stable in this industry.

 

[Freedom]

Stable Job?

I fail to see where any of my "opinions" are lies, but whatever floats your boat go ahead and do it.

I'm the one with a stable job, you are the one begging your union to make good on the promises they made three years ago.

I guess you better hope Unions continue to thrive and grow in this Country if you want to keep your stable "Job."

But if being a Union Buster is what it takes to have stability, I'll take the unstable world of Professional Piloting (or any other honorable profession) over your "Profession" any day of the week.

Freedom is Not Free

 

[netjetwife]

Well said, Freedom. Those who stand up for their rights can look themselves in the mirror; they make their families proud; and they gain the respect of their industry peers. The Options pilots post realistic, relevant updates on the situation at FO while fudspinners wind up on ignore lists. That pretty much sums it up.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Your job is not stable. You are in aviation. No one's job is stable in this industry.

On the contrary, my job is stable. There aren't any unions in it. The company can adjust to meet the needs of the industry as it changes without the intervention of unions.

Something that you don't seem to understand.. a CBA affects more than just payroll and work rules. When there is a CBA, every business decision is affected even if there are no changes to how the represented group is paid. Business decisions are slowed down and the company can't react quickly because union leadership isn't capable of reacting as quick as company leadership and they feel a need to have their hands in everything (scope clauses, aircraft types, etc.)

Yeah... it's stable and there is no stress as a result. Life couldn't be better. I don't have to worry about my lifestyle being affect because a union has a negative impact on how business is done.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Well said, Freedom. Those who stand up for their rights can look themselves in the mirror; they make their families proud; and they gain the respect of their industry peers. The Options pilots post realistic, relevant updates on the situation at FO while fudspinners wind up on ignore lists. That pretty much sums it up.

Those that can stand up and look themselves in the mirror speak for themselves instead of having a union speak for them.

They don't hide from reality by placing their fingers in their ears like a 4 year old and ignoring the factual opinions of others.

 

[Freedom]

Those that have stood up for themselves at Flight Options...

Those that can stand up and look themselves in the mirror speak for themselves instead of having a union speak for them.

They don't hide from reality by placing their fingers in their ears like a 4 year old and ignoring the factual opinions of others.

Have often been handed their head, and showed the door. Often for less than justifiable reasons. But since they were "At Will" employees, they were SOL.

Many of these gentlemen have friends at Options that have seen this happen. They have spread the word that working unprotected under the likes of these Predators is unwise.

Some have left as you have suggested. Others have decided not to repeat the mistakes of the past of standing up individually, which cost their friends their jobs.

Instead, they have decided to fight for a Contract to protect them, and make sure they are treated fairly and impartially during what remains of their career at Flight Options.

You yourself have stated Bob19 that the definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over, expecting a different result.

Many without the stomach for the fight simply went elsewhere to a Union shop. But how do you think that Union Contract was obtained originally on xyz's property?

It was fought for by Brave Men who had within them the integrity to stand up for what was right, putting themselves in harms way in the process.

I Salute ALL the Pilots of Flight Options currently engaged in this process to obtain a First Contract. It is not an easy task, and Management will fight you every inch of the way. But its been done before, and when the battle is over, the benefits will be great for the Pilots of Flight Options.

Good Luck Gentlemen.


Freedom is Not Free

 

[fischman]

On the contrary, my job is stable. There aren't any unions in it. The company can adjust to meet the needs of the industry as it changes without the intervention of unions.

Really? Like JetBlue? XOJet? Are their jobs stable? No unions there...


The only stable job in aviation is being Santa Claus and flying in a magical sleigh. OH wait... I guess there are no stable jobs in aviation. To say otherwise is fooling yourself.


NetJets is one of the mose stable places in America to have a flying job RIGHT NOW. We have unions. What does that tell you? THAT YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED. Mr. Spock is laughing at you!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Really? Like JetBlue? XOJet? Are their jobs stable? No unions there...


The only stable job in aviation is being Santa Claus and flying in a magical sleigh. OH wait... I guess there are no stable jobs in aviation. To say otherwise is fooling yourself.


NetJets is one of the mose stable places in America to have a flying job RIGHT NOW. We have unions. What does that tell you? THAT YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED. Mr. Spock is laughing at you!

You need to look at "big picture" fischman.. you are talking about "flying jobs". I'm talking about company stability.

Which companies have the best chance of survival during tough times, those that can adjust to the market or those that are hamstrung by "industry leading" contracts?

When a union is involved and cuts happen, they are deeper and a lot wider than those of non-unionized companies or work groups. Non union companies can offer packages and pull down employee payroll through volunteer methods rather than by seniority. Vendors like insurance companies and health benefits can be changed and modified to save money and give the same coverage without the intervention unions always make.

Yeah, things are so much better with unions.

Big picture stuff... pilots like you have a hard time doing that.

 

[Fozzy]

Non union companies can offer packages and pull down employee payroll through volunteer methods rather than by seniority.

You never seem to mention management pulling down their salary. You also never mention executive contracts and how those affect a company. I guess we are not worthy of having a contract, only high paid executives.