Moral sinking at FLOPS

[brokeflyer]

The problem is greedy managers that want their bottom line to look good while they go buy a new boat. THe only reason they can ask for give backs is because they are management. The pilots at NJ are similar to the battle hardend US Marine.....you can't beat a US Marine. There will NO givebacks, the company agreed to that contract, so regardless of the economic situation they will have to live by it. And that means all the cushy, lazy, useless management will have to do some work for a change.

The problem in aviation is useless management that thier sole purpose in life is to bleed the company dry. They only wanna do the minimal amount of work possible to show a decent bottom line.

If managent didn't try to butt fck us every chance, there would be no need for a labor union. I dont feel sorry for them one bit. They deserved it.

FLOPS pilots, just for the sole reason of being a buncha a$$ holes, should ask for another 25k per year because management isnt bargaining in good faith. Then go over to their house and drink all their beer.

 

[fischman]

B19,

Seriously. That was really funny.

 

[Publishers]

The problem in aviation is that it is so extremely hard to make a dollar in it. No one is saying management does not screw up but I am not sure the Flops model ever worked no matter what. There has not been a so called decent bottom line in most of these companies at all.
No doubt you all forget the companies started by pilots that crashed and burned.
The short version is that managers, good bad or indifferent, shareholders, owners, boards of directors can do what they want with the companies that the manage, share in the ownership of, own outright or have been appointed to oversee. Like in the current DHL situation, they can shut down or build up.
There is a substantive difference between NJA and Flops as well as a fundamental difference between NJA and CS or FLEX. Avantair is about the only one close to the same. XO is another different animal.
Flightexpress and American Airlines pilots both fly planes and I am sure they carry the same professional attitude to the job. They do not get paid the same. American and UPS both fly big jets, but are they in the same business. UPS does not even try to make money with the aircraft, American that is their revenue source.
Whatever should of happened in 2005 did not. This is 2008, things have changed. We will see how it works out.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Heard it before...

B19,

Seriously. That was really funny.

That's exactly what the United, Delta and American pilots said right before the concessions after they got their "industry leading contracts." :laugh:

That's what the UAW is about to go through as well as about every other labor union in the country.

I wish I could laugh with you, but it's such serious business it's hard to. The moment the furloughs begin will be the time the union will stand back and dig their heels in. The deeper they dig, the longer it will take and the deeper the cuts will be. Then the tears will come when you finally realize your union failed you by making promises it couldn't keep. :crying:

I'll be here to say, "I told you so."

 

[B19 Flyer]

The problem is greedy managers that want their bottom line to look good while they go buy a new boat. THe only reason they can ask for give backs is because they are management. The pilots at NJ are similar to the battle hardend US Marine.....you can't beat a US Marine. There will NO givebacks, the company agreed to that contract, so regardless of the economic situation they will have to live by it. And that means all the cushy, lazy, useless management will have to do some work for a change.

The problem in aviation is useless management that thier sole purpose in life is to bleed the company dry. They only wanna do the minimal amount of work possible to show a decent bottom line.

If managent didn't try to butt fck us every chance, there would be no need for a labor union. I dont feel sorry for them one bit. They deserved it.

FLOPS pilots, just for the sole reason of being a buncha a$$ holes, should ask for another 25k per year because management isnt bargaining in good faith. Then go over to their house and drink all their beer.

You NEED to ask and join your union leadership as they negotiate (they won't let you). Then you'll see where the stonewalling really is. As stated before, I've never seen a company stonewall negotiations. I have seen unions come in with numbers so high that conversations were not even possible. That's where the brick wall always begins.

 

[brokeflyer]

well what happens is that management dont stonewall DURING negotiations......they do their damange BEFORE the union is on property.......that is reason we need unions. Management continues to wreck the lives of the people who do the work. Therefore, labor unions are created to keep management in check, so they dont destroy the company.

Someday, management will consider the bigger picture and take care in the company that they work for. When the management mentality is gone the same way as small pox, then the cure of a labor union will no longer be needed. The problem is that management is more like a cancer.

Ive seen management throw out numbers so low that it's a loss for words.....then management leaves.....in their BMW.

FLOPS management failed to care of the company and the employees.

This is all undisputable.

 

[gunfyter]

Broke,

Not just drinking the Bug-Juice but...

@ NJ we have a good management.... and a good Union. We are working together.

Thats Gung Ho in Marine lingo.

 

[brokeflyer]

yeah i know, i was refering to "other" places. I didn't quite make that clear in my post.

 

[jonjuan]

Unions are the direct result of scumbag managers fcking up a company.

that is undisputable.

But wait, so your saying the union at nja is a result of scumbag management elsewhere? If not, then why haven't they come out during this economy and emphatically said "There will be no furloughs here."? Or are they keeping the door open?

 

[brokeflyer]

having a union has nothing to do with furloughs. Hopefuly we won't. We have a unique business plan, this aint the first storm we had to sit through.